Advanced contact staff variations

Oh how i have waited for this! A thread where we can post techy stuff without feeling guilty that noobs wont understand.

So in my head this is a thread to post variations of the basic contact moves that you can do or have simply thought "hey, what if it went round there and under that arm and out there? that would be cool"
Hypothetical stuff is cool, you dont need to be able to do it, just have the idea that its possible.

So to start it off, this summer ive been working on:

Minimum beat stuff like the min steve (removing the spin at your neck) frontside, backside and continuous (so like its isolating).
Frontside min steve horizontal angel
continuous min steve / fs cage steve type thingy

Horizontal angel rolls and seeing what variations come out. Found you can do a horizontal holy trinity (H. angel into H. jesus exit with a H. angel)

Minimum beat entry to a matrix where you skip the neck spin straight to under the arm (meg came up with this ages ago but ive come back to it)

Full conveyor belts. Easier horizontally then vertically. When you finish a normal conveyor do a propellor at the elbow so the staff goes back and does a conveyor on the underside. You can add a propellor around both hands in the middle to stabalise the staff. It sort of turns into a prayer matrix.
proppelor prayer matrix / underside of full conveyor
full conveyor matrix thing

Elbow wraps and propellors, these link nicely into a matrix variant i thought of a while ago and named with the help of meg, Bridge matrix. You roll up the outside of your upper arm, wrap around the tip of your elbow and do a sorta mini H. angel over the underside of your forearms to the other elbow and wrap back and down your other arm.

Groundwork and leg stuff like the twister (still havnt got the full version down solid yet) and the beetle. Had other ideas about cartwheel rolls but havnt got them yet. You should be able to do 4 variations of a cartwheel roll, placing in in either direction and in H or V planes.
cartwheel roll (done badly but you get the idea)
Twister
Beetle

The full twister starts in your hand, steve matrix down your side to enter the twister, then comes out the other side and rolls back up your other side to other side of matrix then steve out. Ive managed this twice ever.

that will do for now, sure ill think of other stuff and add it later.

Oh ive got videos for some of these, recon i should link them? or is that just blatant self plugging?

*edit* added videos and some more text so it makes more sense.

self plug sandy then I'll know where to get video's when I'm telling noobs and video's are handy for some.

Done.
Just realised i dont have videos for everything there but ill add them in time.

I'm at that stage where I'm neither newbie nor advanced. ^.^

I'd just like to say thanks for adding yet more neat tricks for me to try and learn; great videos!!

Aren't frontside steve variations automatically minimal beat? Labeling it as such is a bit redundant, no?

I would have thought if you wanted you could get a beat on your chest like that limbo move mags loves so much with a frontside steve, you'd need to bend really far back.
I think the minimal frontside steve would be easier than a standard frontside.

Yeah but thats exactly what I mean, the standard frontside steve is the minimal frontside steve. What you just described would be a type of combi of a frontside steve amd Measts chest spin speciality, where extra beats could theoreically be added indefinetly. I however would never refer to that as a simple frontside steve however.

could the 2 be differentiated as frontside and full frontside? like the normal full steve involves going up AND down the arms the normal steve as people do it is actually the half steve I believe a simpler version. I think to steve into a throat wrap would be hard as you would be anti spinning (?) at the neck and would break the movement up the other arm... (should this have a thread of it's own? frontside steve variation theory?)

I did think that was the case and you could frontside steve normally I thought it was part of the full steve but only 1 direction across the throat.
minimum beat can be back OR frontside

Granted the second half of a full steve, ie. a frontside steve, COULD be done with a throat wrap, but Ive never seen someone do it like this. Normally its done as a minimal beat, and silly me I consider the norm to be synonymous with the standard. Thus labeling a frontside minimal beat steve as such implies that the second half of a full steve actually has to be properly done with a throat wrap. Or does this mean everyone does a full steve wrong? What does steve say?

Sorry, sometimes I just like to be overly argumentative just to have the topic at hand get a bit more interesting.

that's ok, I think most people do actually do the full steve wrong they forget it goes up and down ewach arm

Sorry etheogen but i dissaree. Most of the people i have seen do a full steve do steve, wrist wrapm, f/s steve (with a throat wrap).

To do a full steve the way you are describing would mean when the staff rolls across your front you would need to lean right back so the staff is able to get past your head without hitting it (ie min steve). Thats much harder. Granted many people do the second half of a full steve slopily and transfer the staff from upper arm to upper arm rather than shoulder to shoulder so it looks less like a throat wrap.

Surely a full steve ought to be a symetrical move in order for it to be defined as full?

(btw, im quite happy to argue definitions to make things more interesting, just please dont take offence at anything i say)

*edit* Just checking, but are we talking about the same moves? i call this a f/s steve and this a min steve.

I agree with Sandy, the normal steve needs that extra beat on both the front and back, so a minimal steve needs it taken out on both sides so ends up having one full rotation taken out between start and finish.

I have another question tho: Could you minimise the steve further by taking out the beat that goes around your wrist? So thye stick would simply roll up to the wrist but then roll straight back down without rotation.

that sounds like it would be a static staff kinda thing, like a globetrotter back and forth.....someone do it.

you could join your hands making a circle of your arms and completely isolate 1 wick in the middle with 1 rotating round the outside. that would remove the wrist beat , keep it minimal AND create a nice isolated flame that you looked like you were hugging
or as poje says it would be like a globe trotter back and forth nice but not a continuous motion more like a pendulum

could you do a throw? like a burnoff but with less spin, the falling motion could allow to raise the arm and regain momentum after landing.

I'll bet it looks a bit messy you would need to do like a wave motion with your arms. (bit like that 1980's body popping...anybody seen durbs )

sandy: no not caged at all. It's a continuous minimum steve where you form a scalextrix track with your arms. The staff is always on the top of your arms and the top of your shoulders. It's not a continuous caged steve...

Tim did two minimum steves in a row in leeds, with a bit of turning. You lay your hands over each other, and let the staff roll over the hands without doing a half beat, so the end that is closest to your head doesn't swap to the other end, like it does in a standard prayer steve, you know?

You have to get the minimum steve soooo solid to do it thou. cos the staff isn't visible for most of the move, and then it's very quick over your hands when you can see it, then you immediately have to duck your head again, and feel where the center point of the staff is.