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mcp
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     13/12/06 01:59 AM

anti-spin doubles patterns.

Parallel:

Parallel Same-Time. (like reels but anti-spun) + turns etc.

Parallel one high one low. (hands go out come back on opposite level to start, all anti-spin then isolate back round to start position. - You can try and anti-spin this entirely, but I think an arm has to pass through the other to make it clean. Isolate for the win.)

Parallel weaves. Forwards and reverse, 2 and three beat versions. Perhaps simian has some higher order weaves.

Parallel high/low turn. Turn to the other direction, or turn all the way around.

Parallel 'flowers'. Both staffs doing anti-spin on either side of your body, out of time. (on hand is up while the other is down etc.)

Parallel flowers with 2 beat anti-spin. Doing parallel high/low one hand starts to do a beat behind you, the other one does the behind the back beat when it gets to it's side of the body...


Butterfly:

Butterfly Same-Time Anti-Spin. Arms want to almost go through each other but don't.

Butterfly anti-spin one high one low: where you form a 'point' and pull it horizontally from one side to the other. Turns easily. You can also pull this point diagonally, or vertically.

Butterfly weaves - 1 beat weaves can be pulled around in circles and one staff will anti-spin, the other won't. Works with other weaves also.

Butterfly flowers with 2 beat anti-spin. Coming out of high/low, the two ends of the staff split apart and one goes behind you to do an extra beat, the other does it's own thing for a bit, before going behind you.



Things you can do with anti-spin:

* practise with the various different hand positions: the staff has two ends, you then have four 'ways' of doing each anti-spin pattern. thumb ends pointed toward each other, pinky ends, or the two versions of pinky and thumb pointed toward each other. Some patterns feel really different with pinky ends in I find, but aren't much harder. (harder only because I haven't practised as much with that end.)

* Then you can flick the ends by doing a quick half 'spin' (yeah a spin!) and be in the same pattern, but with the opposite ends pointing at each other.

* do a BTH beat / anti-spin instead of a normal one.

* find a nice place to transition to other forms of anti-spin, isolation or change direction into bfly anti-spin / iso.

* snaking up you hand and then doing anti-spin is occasionally fine, sometimes quite difficult.

* doing a quarter (or half) or anti-spin then isolation then anti-spin then isolation etc. You don't need to snake your wrist or go btb like normal anti-spin with this, so it has a lot of new possibilities. Putting a half spin of isolation into many anti-spin patterns makes for many many many new patterns.

* Do different shapes of anti-spin, triangle pentagon... etc...

* Do different timeings, quarter time for example. Quarter time weave, or whatever.


Interesting patterns people have already found:

* Switching ends is fun! Particularly in bfly high/low, switching the ends that make the 'point'. But you can also do it in parallel high/low. Probably in same-time anti-spin also.

* Most of these patterns can go BTH. But BTH has it's own set of rules, like it has to go BTH on the high side of the anti-spin, it can't go BTB and still do a one beat anti-spin. (Since your arm can go over your head.) This constrains some of the patterns you can do. Plus you have to sometimes 'set up' for a BTH anti-spin. (for reverse anti-spin at least.)

* I believe the french guys like doing parallel weaves with BTH beats. I've only practised this a little.

* Instead of having the isolated transition in parallel high low go from vertical to vertical, you can do it from horizontal to horizontal.

* atomics! and other plane based fun fun fun.


Things I just thought of:

* Switching just one end should take you into a different pattern. Maybe from same time to high/low...

* Doing BTH butterfly anti-spin with switching ends BTH.

* Doing anti-spin flowers and switching ends. That'd be fun.

* You can also do anti-spin flowers and go BTH.


bit rough, I'll tidy it up in a bit.

Edited by mcp (13/12/06 04:52 AM)


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-sandy-
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  new 13/12/06 02:21 AM

Wo meg thats quite a lot to take in, ill do it when i get home.
Something ive been playing with, 3 point antispin triangles (where it goes BTH every other circuit, ask simian) these can be done as doubles split time or same time and with the point of the triangle pointing up or down or one up one down to form a 6 point star.

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  new 13/12/06 02:22 AM

good one, I forgot about mentioning box anti-spin or other shape anti-spin...

tanks

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mcp
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  new 13/12/06 04:50 AM

whoops, and atomic anti-spin also...

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Neon_Shaolin
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  new 13/12/06 04:54 AM

I've been trying to figure out how to do an anti-spin square as a fountain... failing miserably...

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  new 13/12/06 10:41 PM

antispun pinwheels are where its at, while the other is thrown..... damn hard though, need broken wrists ...........

shame you cant chuck antispin

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Neon_Shaolin
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  new 13/12/06 11:57 PM

You can, if you throw it at the right trajectory...

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  new 13/12/06 11:59 PM

You can chuck anti spin but only for half a beat at a time and its really fast. Havnt tried it behind the head yet tho, recon theres a good chance of smacking yourself

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  new 14/12/06 12:21 AM

can't you chuck antispin if you start with one end of the staff on the ground, martial arts style? If you give a good shove on the 'up' end, you can get the staff to fly upwards in antispin (I think)

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Neon_Shaolin
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  new 14/12/06 12:27 AM

 Written by: -sandy-


Havnt tried it behind the head yet tho, recon theres a good chance of smacking yourself



Nah ... No Chance of that happening at all....

Nope, I'm not letting it go... (Mostly laughing at the other guy!)

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  new 14/12/06 12:51 AM

You can do anti-spin wood choppers... Anti-spin throws are pretty simple I thought?

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strugz
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  new 14/12/06 12:57 AM

Dude - with the power of the force maybe...... easy, i hear you say, in edinburgh, show me, you will and easy you shall make it

27th where am i picking you up from and i tak it - you be wanting a lift



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Chronofracture333
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  new 14/12/06 01:06 AM

Ah, just sent you a Pm... Erm, I'll send you a map as well.

Would it be easier if you picked me up from a service station outside of Leeds? Leeds roads are the poop.

I've been playing with overhead anti-spin throws linking angel rolls. I put a new hole in my head.



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  new 14/12/06 01:08 AM

tell me where and ill be there

erm.......

relevance to this thead....

YAY for antispin!





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Neon_Shaolin
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  new 14/12/06 01:25 AM

Careful Strugz, he might actually mean a layby...

Antispin huh? Cool...

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  new 14/12/06 02:03 AM

When I get to grips with doubles I shall surely return... I think doubles will be my goal this year... my first new years resolution

now to build 3 to juggle with...

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  new 14/12/06 11:38 PM

horizontal antispin is a widely unacknowledged style. Isolating one staff horizontally and one vertically is prill cool, and can lead to messed up bodily positions.

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simian
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  new 14/12/06 11:54 PM

bah, all looks like pretty easy spinning to me.

Shouldn't you guys have moved onto contact by now?


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  new 14/12/06 11:58 PM

I did it all for you Mr Purdie. I thought you would be happy, and I all I get in return is nippy sarcasm!

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mcp
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  new 14/12/06 11:59 PM



oh silly me, I forgot to put the dual fishtail bit in the title didn't I?

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Neon_Shaolin
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  new 15/12/06 12:25 AM

 Written by: simian


bah, all looks like pretty easy spinning to me.

Shouldn't you guys have moved onto contact by now?



You throwing crap again monkey boy? Show us how it's done...

(The Contact stuff, not the crap throwing, I'm pretty efficient at that already)


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bluecat
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  new 15/12/06 12:44 AM

incidentally, a lot of what you guys are calling antispin is not antispin. it's 'keepingtwoendsnexttoeachother'

so, go away and redefine, please. by lunchtime. or else.



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strugz
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  new 15/12/06 12:49 AM

damn picky scottish pussycat

we know that - its for the noobs and classification of families..... its a syle of movement that lends itself better in here than elsewhere...... like my house for instance

you staffitocly correct person you.......

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mcp
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  new 15/12/06 12:58 AM

yeah well done mr blue, that's called isolation.

What I've described above are all anti-spin patterns. (Occasionally with bits of isolation thrown in, only where I say the word isolation)

Yeah, the two ends stay together through out the whole pattern, but that doesn't make it just isolation, cos the rest of the two staffs are anti-spin-ing.

Keeping two ends next to each other is the best and most visual way to describe and teach some anti-spin patterns where two ends stay next to each other. So That's why I used the term. Plus it's a relative isolation, because it moves along a horizontal line.

Some of them are mildly compressed anti-spin, but the most compressed one, doing an sort of butterfly buzzsaw horizontal line inside your arms I didn't mention, so there. All the others: defining feature is not a spin isolation, but that they're doing anti-spin and happening to keep two ends together.

So in conclusion: You're WRONG, na naah na na Naaahhhhh!

sorry.

anyway simian: It's the point that the moves are easy, but getting them clean is hard?

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Edited by mcp (15/12/06 01:02 AM)


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strugz
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  new 15/12/06 12:59 AM

clean and FAST - one selection of moves i would say actually looks better with more speed, although more control..... not a phrase we often here



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