darimoth
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Uff...no..
it's like the 3 staff shower(51) but the third trowh is with 2 staff in a duplex throw.
You start with 4 staff,2 for each hand-->single single,duplex.
then the first single arrive and you throw it,the second one arrive and so you throw then 2staff arrive parallel and it's possible to catch them separated(1 with left,1 with right)so quikly pack it in the right hand a nd throw a duplex.
55duplex,55duplex.
Hope i explined in the right way:)
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bastl
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16/04/07 08:35 AM
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..sounds like a good pattern 
today in regensburg some of this rubensteins revenge thing _with some 531 veriation in it worked quite nice
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darimoth
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16/04/07 09:09 AM
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531!!!!!!
So nice,so hard..
I love it.
But still i don't know if my 531 is right or not because i throw 5 and 3 from the same hand..from the 333 catching one staff than throwing 5(high from outside like as doing a shower throw,then while 5 is in the air the same hand throws 3)
Is that ok?(there should be an attept in the juggling video when it comes out).
But still it's not a clear pattern, most of the times the left hand don't throw good(so next week again train with left hand).
God,buddah,kali and gods in universe why we're not all
ambidextrous ?:)
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tim_marston
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16/04/07 08:02 PM
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hopefully one day i will see you guys juggle by numbers and perhaps i will understand!?!!?!
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bastl
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17/04/07 05:50 AM
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Written by: darimoth
from the 333 catching one staff than throwing 5(high from outside like as doing a shower throw,then while 5 is in the air the same hand throws 3)
so you throw the 5 (the high one) and than a 3 with the same hand  what is the other hand doing inbetween the 5 and the 3 as i guess you still throw alternate with your left & right hand?
when does the 1 come into that pattern?
 we are all ambidextrous, we just realise the potential a bit late in life 
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darimoth
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17/04/07 10:01 AM
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opsssssssss my brain it's not working so good....i said 53 form the same hand..but i was wrong..sorry...
i wanted to mean that the entering in the 531 patern is a 5 high throw after a 333 so it's correct that 5(right hand)3(left hand) 1 should the the pause before the 3 land to the right.
Sorry.
Now that it's clear i wont to ask to bastl: do you spin the "1" or just have the staff bloked in the hand ?
Have tryied the 423?that's more difficoult than 531 imho...expecially for the "4"
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bastl
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17/04/07 08:05 PM
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the "1" is a transfer, in your case from the right to the left hand.
423 is for me much easier, look @ the trainingvideo from antti ...the last figure he plays is a 423 
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17/04/07 10:23 PM
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tim - if only you'd asked, i could have explained all at BJC.....
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17/04/07 10:46 PM
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i havnt been in this thread, mainly coz im shite at staff juggling......... however i feel i should say that following a sweet afternoon watching Tim at the BJC - i got to say he is the daddy of the 4 staff shower 
*envious*
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17/04/07 11:03 PM
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He only lives a 30min trainride from me...
Had a lovely conversation with him at BJC. Might actually meet up with him and pester him for tips Or drag him to the monthly Preston Fire Gatherings to show them how it's done!
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17/04/07 11:04 PM
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Tim, was that you i was watching at the BJC? if so, then Damn! you may have actually inspired me to try a bit of staff juggling, you looked wicked and i thought hmmm.... i want to do that.
Kicking myself a bit now for not coming and saying hi
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tim_marston
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thanks for the kind words,i train in a beautiful park in kendal in the lake district,any one is welcome 
i hope one day to be able to perform the 4 staff shower with nine catches,with the rhd catch and throw,at night,with out destroying my shoulder,i dont know if i will make it but thats the plan!?!?!?!?!?
both bristol and preston for a meet is cool,so is play and feurkunst,
rob,jago and others have tried to teach me siteswaps,but my head caves in cos im poo with numbers!
 (whover said juggling increases brain power was wrong)
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bentstix
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18/04/07 11:43 AM
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he tim
was just wondering how is your method to get the damn 4 shower clean
i myself been working on it since a while now but it goes and comes
not consistent enough for performing
been doing sets of 8 catches stop and another set
try to do it 10 times in a row
and fail (sometimes tho)
lol
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bentstix
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18/04/07 11:53 AM
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and another question to you or any one
do you manage to get beyond the magic 4th round (16 catches)
i still don´t
haven`t tried really hard since my arms get too wabbly after
and a itsy bitsy progress in the 5staff world i got too announce managed too do one 5 staff flash (with 5 catches)
happy but long ways too go
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tim_marston
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19/04/07 06:09 AM
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hi josh
the way im trying with four is to work slowly thru the number of catches,so i worked on a flash for ages then five catches then six,im now plannig to get seven clean as my next mission,
i also go back to three staff continuos flashes repeatedly every time i struggle,
i dont think i will ever try and get more than nine catches,it too hard on the muscles,
im also trying to increase the efficiency of my training,by taking short breaks and analysing where im going wrong,i then try and concentrate on elimintating that fault,this always creates a different fault to eliminate,and so it goes on............................................................ 
congratulations on flashing five,ive never even managed too throw five,never mind catching five staffs!!!
i am coming to berlin for feurkunst it would be really cool to hook up with you and entheogen somewhere for some training and fun
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darimoth
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19/04/07 07:45 AM
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5 shower flash? wow!
really.
wow.
Wander what hands you have to hold all5 staves:)
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19/04/07 09:17 AM
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Written by: darimoth
5 shower flash? wow!
really.
wow.
Wander what hands you have to hold all5 staves:)
thanks lol
i did it the one time
lucky shot nothing more i guess
and tim did you try the pattern with 3 when you flash 2
wait a count and then throw the third one the 4th count
it did help me lots
what you mean flashing three consistent thats a preparation for 5 you know that ,or
it,s not really for 4
but might help since its a faster rhythm than the actually 4 staff shower
or am i wrong here
and when is feuerkunst again ??
lets try meeting
since we are not sure if we go again to übereurope
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19/04/07 11:04 AM
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Written by: bentstix
and tim did you try the pattern with 3 when you flash 2
wait a count and then throw the third one the 4th count
it did help me lots
True.I've tryied 4 flash for long time and it was not leading to nothing for long long time because,n my opinion,it's uselss to try the moves if you don0t have clear in mind what THE STAFF has do to (how many roll in the air,woh high..)
Another good things for the 4-5 shower is the "empty" time,like you throw 2 and clap your hands instead on throwing the rest,it' s a good way to have clear(in mind) how high have to throw and how many time you have to prepare the catch.
Like the piruette training for clubs
balst i find that in 531 i do not make any 1...........so the pattern is uncomplete. the 1 for me it's just like a 2 
no good.
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19/04/07 11:29 AM
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Written by: darimoth
balst i find that in 531 i do not make any 1...........so the pattern is uncomplete. the 1 for me it's just like a 2
no good.
try out of the half-shower makes it easier, for me at least
good luck
finding the one
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Antti_Everything
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19/04/07 07:06 PM
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Crazy jugglers...
I managed to flash a 5 staff trick a few times once. It was like doing a 4 staff fountain but throwing one more staff from the right hand as high as possible and then try to catch everything. Not really beautiful.
And 3 on one hand is possible so skip the 5 and go for a 6 staff fountain.
Crazy jugglers...
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JohnnyFettucini
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19/04/07 09:54 PM
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Hey!
I'm allready on it! 3 on one hand thing
I can flash it on my right hand and hopefully soon on my left. So a 6 staff fountain flash is soon coming to a cinema near you!
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bastl
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19/04/07 10:07 PM
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hello josh, everything good ? and hey you guys must come to uber i want todo this 5,6 staff passing agian + some contact huhu
Written by: bentstix
try out of the half-shower makes it easier, for me at least
hmm strange, so from halfshower, but here you have to change direction of the 1...if you do it bevore actually transfer it´s a more complicated start than from a kaskade (in my opinion) and if you change direction after the transfer you need to build up a lot of force with the left hand shower throw (5) just out of your arm, not from the speed the staff travels....(exhausting or ?) -or do you not plan to play 531 continiously?
my favorite solution to your idea would be to throw the left hand 5 as a reverse throw in shower 
hope you are fine again
what about play?
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Written by: JohnnyFettucini
Hey!
I'm allready on it! 3 on one hand thing
I can flash it on my right hand and hopefully soon on my left. So a 6 staff fountain flash is soon coming to a cinema near you!
lol
i mean i can do like nearly always 3 or 4 throws with three
staffs in the right hand
does that mean i also gonna get the 6 staffs soon
ooh dude thats a funny one
you were right bastl i´m a slacker
didn´t even cross my mind to do it continuously
thinking about it makes me agree the cascade is more appropriate to do the pattern continuously
so i do inside 5, out 3, left to right 1
and i came up with sweet variations
i gonna show you one day
and one day we will meet again
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Written by: bentstix
Written by: JohnnyFettucini
Hey!
I'm allready on it! 3 on one hand thing
I can flash it on my right hand and hopefully soon on my left. So a 6 staff fountain flash is soon coming to a cinema near you!
lol
i mean i can do like nearly always 3 or 4 throws with three
staffs in the right hand
does that mean i also gonna get the 6 staffs soon
well, yes, if you practise the other hand.
i performed three staff juglging for the first time at the bjc. now i have a whole summer to learn new stuff (think i'm going to stick to cascade variations to avoid the shoulder issues), but for a start, i think these patterns will be worked on
4440
441
531 (variation 1s, btb, bth)
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423 (loads of 2 variations)
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tim_marston
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20/04/07 05:56 AM
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does any one know if google has a gibberish translator ?it's really cool to have so many great staff people on here,if only i could understand them,
im definatly gonna get a siteswap lecture,who's going help?
josh feurkunst is at the beginigi of june,it finishes on the saturday of berlin lacht street festival,are you performing there this year?
im not sure i understood are you saying flashing three isnt a good for four?((dont forget you are talking to a numbskull!))
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