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I need to learn siteswap properely too, I keep looking stuff up and forgetting it.
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tim_marston
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21/04/07 12:09 AM
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cheers mynci
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JohnnyFettucini
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23/04/07 12:08 AM
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bentstix of course it's that simple 
We're not deeling with rocket science here or anything.
But of course, No Pain No Gain!
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23/04/07 10:20 PM
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Er, am I missing the irony in that comment? That simple? No, its not, first you need to properly juggle three in the right hand, always at the same height, and while staying perfectly still (not running all over the place like a dog chasing its tail to catch them all), and then learn it all over again with the left.
My estimate from three staff flash in one hand to doing a six staff fountain would be at least two years of hard work. At least.
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24/04/07 12:11 AM
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 i agree with you valerie
some people donīt see to have a very clear idea what it means to juggle multiple staffs PROPERLY..
but maybe that is not what everybody wants, to just produce a video of an ugly 6 staff flash you donīt need 2 years, BUT to actually be able to show it live to other jugglers and not just say: "look here is a vid about it" will take the time...
david pointed out to me, that this whole thread seems to change into a number juggling thread, who can flash the most staffs, itīs quite amusing
i donīt like flashes.. if you wanna do a 5 staff pattern do at least 6 catches, better 7 or 8. if you donīt than you will never feel the rhythm of the pattern, you just train something close to the pattern...because for a flash you donīt need rhythm. as antti said he did a 4 staff pattern and throwed one extra staff just really high and than try to catch everything down...thats not a pattern. thats a mess, really cool, but a mess.
if you really want to juggle 5 staffs, start with more than a flash..if you make a vid, show a qualify, cause 5 staff is a major step in staff juggling and it deserves more attention than just a "simple" flash.  donīt get me wrong i am fare away of a 5 staff flash or qualify, i even donīt attempt it at all ...i am happy and more than busy with 3 staff patterns...  if any of you guys does it, do it good 
but like 5 staffs, (exept shower) how do you guys deal with the change of direction? when ever i think about possible 5 staff patterns, i quite donīt see how to make the direction change with 5 staffs, -itīs much faster than with 3, and harder to build up the throwing force for the hight...a way might be to play that "perfect kaskade" thing (beginning of the thread) but with 5 ???? i struggle with 3 staffs to get that pattern really clean ....any thoughts?
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whereas i disagree (as a juggler before a spinner)
it really is that simple - if you have one side mostly good, and know how to practise then you are theoretically not far from being able to do it.
espescially when you read the original post which says '6 staff fountain flash coming to a cinema near you soon' - you all assumed juggle, and didn't read flash. (i DO agree with bastl about preferring a qualify to a flash, but that doesn't make the big number flash any less impressive)
anyway... back to the thread point managed a 64113 (once out of about 15 trys before my arm got tired from throwing the 6) on sunday Non numbers jugglers - thats a three staff pattern, where one staff goes high in a column, the second goes low in a column from the other hand, peaking at the same time, the third staff passes accross and back, then back into a cascade.
very satisfying.
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24/04/07 03:03 AM
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Written by: bluecat
it really is that simple - if you have one side mostly good, and know how to practise then you are theoretically not far from being able to do it.
for me 1st step is to learn one hand, 2nd step is the other hand and 3rd (the biggest part) is to jam both hands togehters...but anyway one hand is on the right way if we wanna agree on that
Written by: bluecat
(i DO agree with bastl about preferring a qualify to a flash, but that doesn't make the big number flash any less impressive)
hm i still think it is a shame to stop with a flash and not to train a couble of catches further. the nature of a pattern is that it needs to be repeated, if you just flash you play the structure of a trick once. impressive, but as a trick not as a pattern...i prefere patterns, they have more potential to take them further to the next level
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Mynci
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24/04/07 03:54 AM
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what sized staffs are people using for 5 and 6 staff stuff :erm: beacuse I get the feelilng they are turning into batons more than "staffs" and what is the qualifying length for a staff? my juggling clubs are about 60cm
when I hear 5 staff shower I'm imagining 5 x 4ft (120cm) staves spinning like a loon...
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24/04/07 04:10 AM
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Written by: Mynci
what sized staffs are people using for 5 and 6 staff stuff :erm: beacuse I get the feelilng they are turning into batons more than "staffs" and what is the qualifying length for a staff? my juggling clubs are about 60cm
when I hear 5 staff shower I'm imagining 5 x 4ft (120cm) staves spinning like a loon...
i use 110 cm ones
not a baton
and to the 6staff fountain
for sure 3 staff in one hand is a step
but if your not able to do the 666600
what does it bring
i would say after having this solid
you can speak about 6 staff flash or qualify or your mother or whatever
keep on doing silly things
its always good for a laugh
and bastl move your ass to berlin
to do some sillyness together
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24/04/07 09:13 AM
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Written by: bluecat
anyway... back to the thread point managed a 64113
forgot that in my last post...
dude thats wicked
i want to see that at uber
what kind of double transfer did you choose ?
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24/04/07 12:02 PM
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Written by: bastl
Written by: bluecat
anyway... back to the thread point managed a 64113
forgot that in my last post...
dude thats wicked
i want to see that at uber
what kind of double transfer did you choose ?
And obvusly with fire!
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tim_marston
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i started this thead to discuss staff juggling as a whole,anything people are attempting to juggle with staffs is cool by me,numbers,siteswaps,flashes etc,its all good
im getting confused as to what we mean by a flash?am i correct in saying a three staff flash could be either,making three throws and catches(when learning)
or throwing from a contiuous pattern all three staffs in the air and then going back into a continuous pattern????
My staffs are 90cms long this is because this length works perfectly for my two staff twirling,
the obvious difference with a baton apart from length is that it is unevenly waited similar to a juggling club,
ive found although longer staffs are harder to learn patterns with in some ways in other ways not true,
long staffs tend to spin less(making them easier to control) and are also a lot easier to handle when on fire due to the heat being further away from the catching point,((four short staffs on fire is pretty intimidating))besides are we reallly getting into a debate about who's staff is bigger???
as for fire,cleanliness etc,
for me personally i would consider a pattern clean when i can deliver twice plus one the number of staffs in catches,
ie,the three staff shower would need to be done with seven catches,the four staff shower nine catches,on fire at night with almost no foot movement,equal spins and a calm concentrated look on my face(not pulling a horrible grimace),with good posture in front of big a crowd,to a nice finish, 
to anyone crazy enough to go for six staffs clean  good luck it will take years,same goes for the clean five staff cascade,
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bastl
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25/04/07 07:35 PM
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Written by: tim_marston
im getting confused as to what we mean by a flash?am i correct in saying a three staff flash could be either,making three throws and catches(when learning)
or throwing from a contiuous pattern all three staffs in the air and then going back into a continuous pattern????
could be eihter you are right, might be an idea to call the 2nd version (e.g. 3 staffs in the air, non in your hands, back to pattern) a "3up" or "5up" depending on the numbers of staffs...but be aware that you can also play a 3up with 5 staffs -and than itīs not a flash
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tim_marston
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25/04/07 11:49 PM
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good idea seb,ive got my three staff 3ups pretty solid now!
i guess anyone attempting a serious go on the five staff shower needs to be able to do four staff 4ups easily before moving on to five staffs...good luck,lol
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bastl
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25/04/07 11:55 PM
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3 ups from shower or kaskade ?
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bentstix
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26/04/07 01:16 AM
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no tim thats where you are wrong
for five you need a 4 staff pattern with a hole (or 1 zero)
and solid flashs with 3 (there "just" have to be always 2 solid zero counts)
same for the 4 staff shower you "just" need a 3 staff shower with a hole
no flashs required
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tim_marston
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26/04/07 02:48 AM
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bastl,shower,i cant do a cascade,
josh,i think i understand,it just feels like being able to do a four staff shower 4up would help with the five staff shower??also how can i have a hole without havin the other four in the air??
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bastl
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27/04/07 02:16 AM
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tim -next time we meet you will learn it it will let your view about 3 staff possibilities explode
josh -slacker come to vienna -sorry i couldnīt make it, but i will, maybe end of summer -sillyness will happen
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27/04/07 06:37 AM
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Written by: tim_marston
josh,i think i understand,it just feels like being able to do a four staff shower 4up would help with the five staff shower??also how can i have a hole without havin the other four in the air??
tim if i remember right,
you actually do it , but you don`t know
4 in the air means - proper in the air,
so too empty hands for 2 more staffs would lead to a six staff pattern
maybe i come too feuerkunst for a night and show you what i mean
and bastl youīre the slacker iīve been in Vienna
have you been in Berlin
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tim_marston
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27/04/07 11:38 AM
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"maybe i come too feuerkunst for a night and show you what i mean"
 
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27/04/07 11:55 AM
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Sorry not to have clarified my definitions earlier, when someone were to say to me, 'I can do a six staff (staff being at least a meter in my mind not to be confused with a baton) flash', I would assume then that means that they could then nearly always do a six staff flash, instead of I can sometimes do a six staff flash, or I tried it a bunch of times and got really lucky once on video. And to me having a proper clean flash would correspondedly mean whosoever could hold the patten at least sometimes for more than six throws, and although I believe juggling six fire staffs in theory possible, it starts reaching a humans phyical limits.
So yes, from juggling three balls in one hand to properly juggling six is a really big step, and from three staffs to six staffs is a much much bigger one.
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28/04/07 07:55 AM
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i found the one!!!!!!!
it was strolling in florence to a park 
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29/04/07 12:21 AM
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darimoth
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29/04/07 12:54 PM
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@tim: some post ago we were talking about 531 with staff and i misunderstood the meaning of 1 in the pattern(1 with balls and club it's also called zip i guess)
i went in florence to buy kevlar and with some people went to play.there i found the ONE:)
Back to the meaning of the thread,and always about the 531,ok i found the 1(finally)but friends told me that throws can be done from inside or from outside.The true 531 it's easier from inside,imho,theese days i've tryied to make the outside with bad resoults.
Againg about in-outer thorws: 4440 and also columns.Antti throws from outside,and it seems to be the only way to still with colums,but can be done with inside throws??
LAst things: balst it's a wise guy,training the left hand it's not just funny(because sometimes staff goes anywhere) but also very very very usefull!
Today right shower and left shower for 2times ...doing that "running all over the place like a dog chasing its tail to catch them all"
I love you for saying that!
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tim_marston
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29/04/07 10:53 PM
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darimoth,what exactly do you mean by a 1?
with the columns inside throws are definatly possible,i can do two in a column with inside throws,
i cant wait for this video from ima,perhaps we should start thinking about more videos,maye with fire??
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