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Written by: tim_marston
hopefully one day all the tricks we are doing now will be considered beginner............................
no worries that will happen for sure 
who is nowadays impressed by 5 club kaskade ? -it´s still bloody hard, but even 5 clubs backcrosses beginn to be "normal"
but there is never a way round the basics which we built, hähä
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26/09/07 01:45 AM
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Who considers a 5 club backcross to be 'normal'?
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tim_marston
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26/09/07 02:11 PM
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not me......but i know what he means,its not as amazing as it once was.
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ahh the lost age of wonder so who holds the world record for staff juggling then? has anyone done 5 yet? I haven't seen anything on the IJDB regarding the subject yet...
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27/09/07 12:03 AM
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Written by: tim_marston
not me......but i know what he means,its not as amazing as it once was.
right tim, basicly what i meant, and no i don´t think either that 5 club backcross is normal...it is just weired, when i learned a 2 staff shower from antti is was hard and so impressive (for me and others), nowadays it still has some coordinative dificulties to learn, but it doesn´t seem anymore as so hard & impressive, as the most people are aware of 3, 4 staff shower...
so there are some trick which still keep the magic for audience and jugglers, but some just seem to get "normal"...
what differences this tricks from each other, and who can think about a magic-keeper in the moment ?
sorry-sleepy-good night
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tim_marston
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27/09/07 01:39 AM
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I know crowds will always like the two staff shower,
home crowds of mine still clap at my two staff shower tricks even tho they have seen me do three and four(badly).Feedback is they like the fact its getting cleaner and faster (on the very small shower.)
its also how you deliver the trick as well i geuss.
as for other jugglers/fire people myself included I do think we become immune to tricks ,
for example once over to see the three staff shower for a few catches was amazing now i tend to watch for unessecary body movement,control of spins etc and am rarely impressed with the three staff shower,even though i know how hard it is!!!!
an old juggling friend of mine once said its easy to impress other jugglers by learning or creating newer tricks or bigger numbers,and its a great way to gain instant recognition amongst your peers but to be able to deliver these tricks to a crowd properly is different matter and wont nessecarily give you the same respect from your peers.
i think its a fair point
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oh come on Bastl, those tricks are only normal to spinners who have already seen these tricks, but the most important audience are the ones who don't know anything about spinning, and so even the easiest of tricks can look amazing, if done right. Its about QUALITY and not QUANTITY... sure you'll surely impress everyone on Home of Poi with 8 staffs, and i'm sure you'll impress ANY audience with 8 staffs, but you can just as easily still HIGHLY impress 99% of a "regular" audience (i.e. people that pay you, unlike us poor hippies) with a 1, 2, 3, or 40 staff show, it depends on content and not how many or if it's back-cross or whatever... it's only "normal" or approaching boring for spinners because they've seen it 1000 times.
If you want to have a show that impresses EVERYBODY, good luck, as i think most of the good tricks that work for spinners don't work as nicely on a regular audience, as the non-spinners have NO idea what you are doing, they just see circles and staffs flying through the air and get lost after you do a cascade... and vice-versa, if you do a simple show with things like "normal" back-crosses that impresses your audience so well that they all give you their first-born children, you'll most likely have a tent full of sleeping spinners waiting for your show to start.
not always so, but as one who spends 99% of his time photographing spinners instead of learning from them (my own folly) i notice that there are usually 2 categories of tricks - for non-spinners and for spinners and i'd guess maybe 25% of them cross over to both sides...
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27/09/07 10:54 AM
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gleneroo,
i agree with some of what you say but not all of it,
some performers gain respect from both the general public and their peers,victor kee stands out for me as a performers who is both easy to watch and technically brilliant,
another example is the late great bobbby may who was (imho) one of the most entertaining jugglers ever and one of the most skilled,(I FOOKING LOVE BOBBY MAY)
however because im human i will never be as good as them so i choose to entertain the public because they pay more than other spinners 
and because i believe its a lot harder and therefore somehow more worthwhile!??!?!?!?
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12/10/07 03:25 AM
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this bear will own you all>
http://break.com/index/bear-has-sick-stick-skills.html
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13/10/07 10:41 AM
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awesome skills,could it be meast in a bear suit??
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31/10/07 12:48 AM
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finally nailed the 6 staff shower  I do them multiplexed to relive som strain on my long gone arm.
Hope all is well with you all and really enjoyed that bear video!
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31/10/07 02:17 AM
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Written by: JohnnyFettucini
finally nailed the 6 staff shower I do them multiplexed to relive som strain on my long gone arm.
respect
flash or qualify ?
how did you manage to catch down a multiplex staff throw in order to repeat the pattern ?
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31/10/07 05:06 AM
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flash dude
I've managed to catch them in a kind of strange arm position, almost the same angel your arm would be in if your holding a little baby  or I try to throw them so they rotate really close to each other. Hope that makes some sence in trying to explain
It's easier to do a 5 (Penta) multiplex shower and make it qualify as the first throw is a "single" and you would have a better chance at throwing it again.
I'll try to get my hands on a camera and shoot some of this!
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31/10/07 05:33 AM
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catch into a triple cross would be sweet
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31/10/07 10:21 AM
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wuaah
i finally ( after 2days of practice)
nailed the 9 staff cascade !
i so have it
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well i think
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bastl
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31/10/07 10:38 AM
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ey josh, haha love you
-you know there are always several ways of nailing
and it´s good when somebody attempts and barely gets it,
but it has nothing todo with your approach, which is even better 
and yeah i would love to see a vid of it, cause i still don´t understand the way to repeat a multiplexthrow
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31/10/07 10:51 AM
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I don't see what a video of the damn thing is going to do when it clearly isn't appreciated, at least not by benstix who seems to have lost his staffs up his a** or something. It's sad dude this thread has gone to 
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bastl
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31/10/07 12:21 PM
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hey easy guys
there are just different approaches to the same topic.
as i know josh, for him "nailed" means trained the trick forever, and be able to repeat certain numbers of sets drop free.
this is something different than what you (JohnnyFettucini) did, you finaly managed to flash a 6 staff pattern once, which is absolutly great.
there is a gap between some people training tricks for stage and other for progressing the possibilites in staff throwing. for me both are important, and worth respecting.
it´s a bit sad, that a small word like "nailed" pisses off 2 staff juggler, when there so few in euorpe.
anyway, i am still very interested to see what you have achived. its bloody 6 staffs!
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31/10/07 12:29 PM
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OK dude
you wanna start this
there we go..lets go mad
the first thing you wrote was you nailed the 6 staff shower..........
do me favor and think a second , how that sounds
you´r not speaking to some hippie newbie thats gone be amazed by everything what anybody writes
i hang out every in the juggling scene and i know to nail a five club shower is damn hard
not speaking about six, not speaking about staffs
i just recently saw you´re video were you (in nice words)
barley caught a 4staff flash
so i definitely have no need to watch the newest attempt
because i can really well imagine what its gonna be like
and to your pattern its (atleast how you described it )
NOT a six staff shower
its a multiplex combination in one direction
you can ( if done cleanly ) use such a combination to go in a " 6 staff shower "
but its not juggling and not the pattern you claimed it to be
my first post wasn´t meant to be offensive
but if you wanna get my points you will get that i couldn't
resist a bit of irony
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31/10/07 12:38 PM
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love you to bastl
how hippie that sounds
just read your last post
you now what i meant, and if he thinks about it he will understand i guess
but come on
this sentence i nailed a 6 staff shower was screaming for a nice reply
and another thing .....
go to bad you spend too much time here
go save some money and move your ass to berlin
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31/10/07 01:39 PM
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Written by: bentstix
but come on
this sentence i nailed a 6 staff shower was screaming for a nice reply
haha josh is that you? That has to be you, your sick and twisted sense of humor pisses everyone off at first, it took me a long time to figure it out - tough love i think they call it
anyways, i'm gonna come to Bööörlin and show you how to juggle like a real man. First off, you need A LOT more chest hair, so you can give up now if you can't even rip your shirt off and light THAT on fire
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31/10/07 10:32 PM
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so, in anricipation of some josh abuse
i made myself some new sticks, and on monday (first play with them) got some nice tricks
some spinny - ones:
10 catches 4 staff fountain
a few rounds of 534 where meg was the other hand.. (this was wierd, but really nice, wish we had filmed)
1 up double pirouette
and loads of juggly ones, but my battery is about to go....
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bastl
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31/10/07 10:40 PM
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ey josh,
i know very well what you mean, and your reply made me laugh out loud, cause it hits A point.
on the other hand side, i can understand JohnnyFettucini very good aswell, he trys to achieve something with large numbers of staff. he seem to be very enthusiastic, which is a necessary step if you wanna get really good one day. (with "really good" i mean being able to hold such patters for long times
after doing the training necessary to hold complex patterns long, latest than it´s understandable why you reacted so pissed off.
but i don´t really know JohnnyFettucini yet. so thats just my opinion, or atleast i was in similar situations about 2 years ago
right got o bed now again, to breed some money
see you soon (you bloody hippy )
+ glad i more into fishtales now..so i don´t need glenneroos chest hair
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I liked your post josh, i think you should keep coming back for noob bashing. I enjoy it, and I enjoy watching it.
I understand also what you mean bastl... but most sports coaches use uncritical praise just for toddlers and tiny kids, not for the adults. To keep someones motivation up with that sort of tactic, you have to wonder why they're juggling staffs in the first place.
Johnnyf: if I ask you can you 'do' a 6 staff shower, what is your reply? Yes, but only with my staffs, but only after 20 attempts, but in a different pattern to a 'normal' shower, but with a sloppy pattern and sloppy catches, but only as a flash. And I wonder why you need all those 'buts', why you are making excuses and why you can't just say 'No, I can't'.
If somebody asks me if I can drive, I don't say, yes, but I don't have a license, and it would be best if it was an automatic, and i've never tried on motorways and I would probably be slow and anxious and forget to indicate, but yeah I can drive. No I don't say that, I just say honestly: 'No, I can't drive'.
So I think if you understand what you're saying a bit better, you'd see why it was stupid.
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01/11/07 03:01 AM
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bentstix I'm not in the least interested in picking a fight here.. When I said Nailed I meant Did it!
Succeeded in the pattern, made it work
I didn't say, "hey look at me I need a nice reply so everybody can love me". Just thought that this would be the place to tell some of my fellow staff juggling buddies about the possibilites and that some one actually has gone out and tried it.
MCP I understand clearly what I have said. But can you accept that you have misread?
Hope that this highly unesecary argument can stop before it gets way out of hand.
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