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#536993 - 25/04/05 01:27 AM cartwheel contact variants ****
Dentrassi Offline
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Registered: 09/04/03
Loc: Jo'burg, South Africa
ok, ive been playing around with this idea for a month or so now, but without the time to really dedicate to nailing it.

i figured out this concept when thinking about 5 hole staff theory [who was it that posted that thread anyway?] - but rather than thinking about what 'holes' are there to be played with, what body parts can be used.

The matrix is a brilliant starting point - it used 4 out of 5 of the classical 'holes' [ie under arm, neck/shoulder, neck/shoulder other side, underarm otherside - the only 'hole' it doesnt use is between the legs, no pun intended...]. but rather than thinking about it in terms of holes, contact staff is better thought of in pivot points.

the entrance to what i call the matix [Sydney contact staff scene is bugger-all so i may have some definitions wrong] rotation staff anticlockwise is to enter with my right hand to left side of neck so it rotates around neck and you can tilt your body and use over exagerrated hand movements to flick it around under my right arm pit to the front side.

here i have used 2 pivots - 1st my neck, then 2nd my shoulder/armpit to spin the staff around.

Just before this point, if i enter into a cartwheel to my left side, the staff can spin around my back as an extra pivot to catch on my left side as i exit from the cartwheel.

Now - i have managed to do this twice out of 50 or so attempts. the first time i tried it, as soon as i was halfway though the cartwheel - all i could focus on was the staff on my back - and i forgot the second half of the cartwheel, and landed heavily on the dirt.
but it feels like most contact - very weird until you are used to the muscle memory. I think another problem is i dont yet have enough explosive athletic power to flip 87 kg of me around fast enough

i dont really have time in my life to practise too much as present, but wondered if anyone else have played around with this idea with more success?

anyway, peace, love, and hugs, to all the contact staffers out there.


Edited by Dentrassi (25/04/05 01:49 PM)
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#536994 - 25/04/05 10:21 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: Dentrassi]
DeepSoulSheep Offline
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Registered: 25/09/02
Loc: Ballybrack, Dublin
No but thats sounds wicked man! Will have a play next time it gets warm...
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#536995 - 26/04/05 07:05 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: DeepSoulSheep]
Lavatwilight Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
Loc: Wellington somerset, UK
hummmm, if i knew how to do cartwheels, then i would try,
good to play with tho i think, roll on summer
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#536996 - 26/04/05 11:04 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: Lavatwilight]
ado-p Offline
Ninjaneer

Registered: 13/05/04
Loc: Galway/Ireland
I might be able to do just enough of the matrix to try that.

nice one

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#536997 - 27/04/05 06:42 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: Dentrassi]
duncanh Offline
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Registered: 27/04/05
Loc: Brighton
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~rsywp/index.htm

Hi this might help, with cartwheel contact variants. Also contains some other really cool stuff as well

Hope it helps

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#536998 - 27/04/05 11:32 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: duncanh]
bender Online   content
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Written by: duncanh


http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~rsywp/index.htm

Hi this might help, with cartwheel contact variants. Also contains some other really cool stuff as well

Hope it helps



meh that guy on that site is useless, and i bet he's a crap contact twirler too!!!

a very easy peasy acrobatic movement that looks contacty is to perform a 'macaco' (monkey flip) with the staff held securely in a neck pinch.
- with the staff in a neck pinch, it's in quite a similar position to continue into a matrix movement
- the macaco starts in a crouch and finishes in a cartwheel movement, so it has the momentum to follow onto a second cartwheel
- i like llama.
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#536999 - 27/05/05 08:46 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: bender]
fluffy napalm fairy Offline
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Registered: 12/12/01
Loc: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
yeah and he smells
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#537000 - 27/05/05 08:55 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: fluffy napalm fairy]
T&B Offline
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Registered: 30/08/03
Loc: London/Bristol
bender were you at the EJC last year in france just someone showed me this monkey flip extactly as you describe it?
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#537001 - 27/05/05 08:56 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: fluffy napalm fairy]
bluecat Offline
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Registered: 15/12/02
Loc: everywhere
oohohoh ooooh how did i fail to notice this thread?

argh

no time to write piles of crap!

argh
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#537002 - 28/05/05 01:52 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: bluecat]
bender Online   content
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
no, i was too short to attend the Edinburgh Jockeys' Club this year, fingers crossed for next!!

you don't want to hear my edinburgh accent, it's totally doss.
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#537003 - 29/05/05 03:10 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: T&B]
Kyle McLean Offline
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Registered: 03/07/03
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Written by: T&B


bender were you at the EJC last year in france just someone showed me this monkey flip extactly as you describe it?




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#537004 - 20/06/05 09:39 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: Kyle McLean]
-sandy- Offline
addict

Registered: 12/07/04
Loc: Bristol
I had the same idea for that cartwheel move from a matrix but also had problems with concentrating on the staff too much. the one thing i did find out is that you have to spend a little longer on the first bit of the cartwheel (i.e. your first hand to go down) to give the staff time to get between your legs. after that i usually end up getting my legs caught in the staff as i fall over but practice makes perfect i guess.
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#537005 - 20/06/05 11:35 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: -sandy-]
Mags The Jedi Offline
King of Fools

Registered: 30/05/04
Loc: Cornwall, UK
Brad and I have been working on cartwheels and rolls for the last couple of weeks. It's fairly easy to just put the stick on your neck static, cartwheel, and then come out into whatever pattern you like.

The ninja roll looks better, as does the staff arab spring (like an arab spring, but with one end of the staff in the ground - kinda like a pole vault)

Will one day finish editing the hours and hours of footage we have of us being lovely with sticks and let you all see it. But not today.

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#537006 - 29/06/05 11:48 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: Mags The Jedi]
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Registered: 12/07/04
Loc: Bristol
Been working on the steve cartwheel and i recon its possible to get into the first half of a matrix before you get back onto your feet but im still working on it.
Mags whats an arab spring? not too up on terminology. is there a vid around already with it on?
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#537007 - 01/07/05 11:39 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: -sandy-]
bender Online   content
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
it's a reference to an olde rifle twirling video.
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#537008 - 01/07/05 08:40 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: bender]
daisylou Offline
la di da di da

Registered: 18/05/05
Loc: North Wales
arab springs are similar to cartwheels, also known as 'round offs'. more energetic than a cartwheel and lands on both feet at once facing opposite direction to the way you faced when u started. can lead into other acro moves like backflips etc (though whether possible with a staff i have nooooo idea lol for you crazy lot )
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#537009 - 04/07/05 01:54 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: daisylou]
bender Online   content
still can't believe it's not butter

Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
roundoffs? i broke both bones in my right shin doing one.
heartily suggest not breaking nothing.
'cept hearts.
or promises.

actually don't break anything.
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#537010 - 18/07/05 01:15 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: bender]
Mags The Jedi Offline
King of Fools

Registered: 30/05/04
Loc: Cornwall, UK
Can now kinda do a one handed cartwheel with the staff. You kinda hold it out in front of you and turn it in the direction your body goes as you go over.

Hard to explain.

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#537011 - 19/07/05 03:56 PM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: Mags The Jedi]
DeepSoulSheep Offline
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Registered: 25/09/02
Loc: Ballybrack, Dublin
I find the easiest way into a 1 handed cartwheel is from backwards double shot gun or when adding 2 extra circles behind headfrom backwards, stick in right hand and planting left hand...
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#537012 - 27/07/05 01:54 AM Re: cartwheel contact variants [Re: DeepSoulSheep]
ado-p Offline
Ninjaneer

Registered: 13/05/04
Loc: Galway/Ireland
im nearly there with steve cartwheel steve

and i hate french keyboards
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