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#527509 - 09/04/05 09:46 AM Glowsticking moves, with poi.
NYC Offline
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Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
In the interest of furthering diplomacy, I thought it'd be fun to look at some of the moves our glowsticking brothers have been inovating and seeing how, or even IF they could be incorporated into sock poi or fire poi moves.

It'd also be interesting to see what moves have difficulty transferring the other way. I remember giggling like a spaz at my New York folks trying to see who had the best glowstick isolations. They were ALL pretty sad.

Then again, it's nice to see moves like "Flowers" making such a smooth transition to glowsticks pioneered by our own diplomat Kael.

I've been talking a bunch of crap about 'gumbys' without actually putting the time and energy into actually getting it done.

I think that it would be important to document what we've done on film as there seems to be some debate as to the authenticty of claims.

So:
Glowstickers, can you give us some things to try that are specifically glowsticking?

And poi kids, can you do them?

[Disclaimer: We're talking about a SPECIFIC move or skill that would be common to the glowstick vocabulary. NOT can you do my 15 minute routine while I'm reciting pi to the 100th digit.]

I call gumbys. I'll work on them tomorrow if it's sunny with my fire wicks. I know I'll have to buy some parts once I figure out what parts I need for nonflammable straps but I'm on the case. And if you don't know what gumbys are, Durbs a do.
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#527510 - 09/04/05 09:51 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
Cynicdave1 Offline
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Registered: 08/04/05
Can I list anything, even the things that obviously wouldn't look as good?

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#527511 - 09/04/05 09:52 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
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brilliant.

ney... GENIUS.

Jo.

EDIT - Just to clarify, that I think not just sock or firepoi apply, but string designs too.

I personally am very interested in seeing if any poi peeps can simply dance around with glowsticks, as there is a general concensus (I disagree with) that 'body movement' is a very difficult concept to transfer from poi to glowsticks.


Edited by Jo (09/04/05 10:07 AM)
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#527512 - 09/04/05 09:57 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: Jo]
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i would like to see string wraps done with heavier poi sets on film.

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#527513 - 09/04/05 10:00 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
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Registered: 06/04/05
you cant do this with poi because traditionally the chain/string whatever is longer and you hit yourslef in the face... i guess you could do this with poi but it wouldn't be that graceful :P

http://www.localslackers.com/ufo.wmv

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#527514 - 09/04/05 10:07 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: mixinluv2u]
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Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
Fie, shush, that's the whole darn point of this thread.

Written by: mixinluv2u


i would like to see string wraps done with heavier poi sets on film.




When you say string wraps, do you mean airwraps and such.

Hrmmm... didn't PK have a nice black and white vid with a few airwraps.

The funny thing about airwraps is the folks that can do them best don't video them much. I don't know why that is. I think it's a modesty, honestly. Perhaps even a British modesty. Unlike an American brashness of "Look what I can do!"

Anybody got a vid PK or a Coleman or any of the other Jedi airwwrappers?
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#527515 - 09/04/05 10:09 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: fie]
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Registered: 20/05/03
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errrrrr, did I download it wrong? Isn't that just a crokscrew kept tight? I was hopin' for some mad mindgame, tracin', string wrappin' crazy action moves!
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#527516 - 09/04/05 10:13 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: fie]
TheBovrilMonkey Offline
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Registered: 03/09/01
Loc: High Wycombe, England
fie, you can do that one with poi, you've just got to wrap the chain around your hand to shorten it a bit, or just have shorter chains to start with, there are plenty of people who do.

I usually only do it towards the end of a burn, when there's not the volume of smoke coming off the wicks, since it swings them close to my face - I don't really fancy breathing it all in.
I quite like adding a buzzsaw part into the middle, that looks pretty nice.
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#527517 - 09/04/05 10:17 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: mcp]
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Yay! Meg wants to play too!

And meg, I don't think Fie is one of the folks that's been truely challenging us. It's those other two boys that are gonna kick us into high gear.

See, I'm beginning to see that much of the stuff you see on a random Sunday in London or Monday in Edinburgh doesn't show up on film so the glowstickers don't see much of it.

Meg, show the boys a vid of some fire airwrapping. I'm a little man, show them the big boyz.
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#527518 - 09/04/05 10:27 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
KaelGotRice Offline
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Registered: 21/07/03
Loc: Angel's Landing, USA
Duowraps with heavier weights... which I'm actually trying to accomplish btw. I can do some.

Link catches and other catch moves with chains and fire - also trying it.

Various idiotic string tracing with fire- (done by yours truly - idiot with colemans and no neck protection)
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#527519 - 09/04/05 10:46 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: KaelGotRice]
MikeIcon Offline
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Registered: 27/03/03
Loc: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Written by:

'body movement' is a very difficult concept to transfer from poi to glowsticks.



I concur with this. My style is pretty heavy on body movement and while I can rollerskate doing anti-spin butterfly flowers with normal poi, I look like a total newb with a set of glow sticks. Now, perhaps its because I dont practice with sticks ever but I think it really does have something to do with the weight and speed at which heavier poi perform.
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#527520 - 09/04/05 10:49 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: MikeIcon]
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Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
I think it's cuz you don't practice with sticks. If you did you'd be sick dude.
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#527521 - 09/04/05 10:49 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
KaelGotRice Offline
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode

Registered: 21/07/03
Loc: Angel's Landing, USA
Likewise with me and heavier poi.

But I'm practicing
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#527522 - 09/04/05 11:19 AM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
mcp Offline
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Registered: 20/05/03
Loc: Edin-borrow.
Written by: NYC


Yay! Meg wants to play too!

And meg, I don't think Fie is one of the folks that's been truely challenging us. It's those other two boys that are gonna kick us into high gear.

See, I'm beginning to see that much of the stuff you see on a random Sunday in London or Monday in Edinburgh doesn't show up on film so the glowstickers don't see much of it.

Meg, show the boys a vid of some fire airwrapping. I'm a little man, show them the big boyz.




I've only got a single snippet of me doing a fire airwrap, and it's mostly taking the piss out of myself. I am also one of these "Please god I wish I had a video camera!" people, that hop seems to consist entirely of, and gs.c has the polar opposite.

Oli or YT probably have some sick vids thou. And bluuuucat has sock wrappage goin' on a lot. do you want linkage?

Anyway, off to break out the glowstick double nun-chunks.... Hmmmmmmmm.... speedy....

My 0.02 on wraps: While doing horizontal wraps a lot, I've discovered one thing: There is three main modalities: Butterfly, Followtime and Splittime. There is no butterfly splittime. Splittime is just splittime.

Oh let me explain, you have to be doing continuous wraps, no full spins. (I haven't experimented with one wrapping one spinning... much.) Butterfly: They both hit / wrap on opposite sides of the body at the same time. Follow: They wrap on one side of the body at the same time. Split: One poi is wrapping, the other is free about to wrap.

I've just made my head hurt trying to contradict myself... There is only THREE!!!

I like glowsticks, I have lots. I tried to order ultras, but I think I got the wrong thing.
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#527523 - 09/04/05 12:18 PM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: mcp]
Cynicdave1 Offline
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Registered: 08/04/05
i bet a fire airwrap or orbital would be absolutely amazing to see. all the pieces of flame flying in different places.

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#527524 - 09/04/05 12:21 PM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: Cynicdave1]
Cynicdave1 Offline
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As mentioned before:

- complex wrap combinations.
- glowstring tracing
- linked catches.

kael or wes, could you give examples of each of those in video clips? and can you do the glowstring trace over to be more zoomed in and done slower so people can follow? i guess that might be the best way. show a move, then see what other versions look like.

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#527525 - 09/04/05 12:26 PM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: Cynicdave1]
KaelGotRice Offline
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode

Registered: 21/07/03
Loc: Angel's Landing, USA
hahaha, slow complex wrap combos... with pleasure

Fire airwrap isn't bad, adam's pulled off fire orbital straight from a weave but it isn't consistant yet. I have it on film somewhere.
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#527526 - 09/04/05 01:39 PM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: KaelGotRice]
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode

Registered: 21/07/03
Loc: Angel's Landing, USA
http://kaelgotrice.spymac.net/Kaelstringdemonstration.wmv

Money!

Keep in mind I'm spinning in my dorm room with less than 5 feet of space. Thus the 'me sticking my tongue out at the bed'. If I had more ceiling room, I would have shown you some neck duowrap/trace combos, but alas, you'll have to wait until my next video.

Included - isolations, neck/knee traces, double knee trace, thumbsplitting to link catch/throw, airwrap/hyperloop, orbital airwrap-> catch -> orbital airwrap, loads of wraps, duowraps, whatever.

Uneditted, uncut as usual

If you have questions on moves or the times at which moves are performed, just ask.

Cheers,

~Kael
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#527527 - 09/04/05 02:02 PM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: NYC]
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Registered: 08/02/05
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Written by: NYC

Anybody got a vid PK or a Coleman or any of the other Jedi airwwrappers?




I do have a video of me doing fire poi with air wraps and orbitals.... but Kael won't let me release the version that I have.

*shakes fist at Kael

Wes, I think you may have a coppy, along with NYC... but just remember, you didn't see it from me.
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#527528 - 09/04/05 02:03 PM Re: Glowsticking moves, with poi. [Re: Adrillf]
KaelGotRice Offline
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode

Registered: 21/07/03
Loc: Angel's Landing, USA
Why don't you just edit your part of the vid out of it?

sheesh
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