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#465033 - 22/01/05 02:34 PM All about flowers ****
MikeIcon Offline
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Registered: 27/03/03
Loc: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Ive been working to categorize all types of flowers in an attempt to find more. I believe Ive finally finished and have discovered many new ones (to me) along the way. Decided to share what Ive got in an attempt to both educate those who may not be aware of some of them as well as get info on any I may be missing. Heres the breakdown...

There are 4 categories of flowers:
-Basic flowers
-Counter flowers
-Goofy flowers
-Half flowers

Basic flowers are the simplest and usually the first ones people learn. They're just your average flower where the poi and arms are both rotating in the same directional pattern (ie, poi are spinning forward chase/arms are spinning forward chase; and poi are spinning forward butterfly/arms are spinning forward butterfly)

Counter flowers are what Ive been calling anti-spin flowers before all the anti-spin jargon started. You can call them what you want, but in this case, they're counter flowers They're the ones where your arms rotate opposite (or counter) the direction your poi are spinning (ie your poi are rotating forward chase/your arms are rotating reverse chase; and your poi are rotating forward butterfly while your arms are rotating reverse butterfly)

Goofy is the term Ive come up with to describe flowers where your arms are doing the wrong directional pattern for the way the poi are spinning (ie your poi are doing butterfly but your arms are rotating chase, and vice verce). This forces one poi to always be doing counter spin while the other always does normal.

Half flowers are where your arms only complete half a rotation before going back the way they came forcing the poi to do normal spin one way, then counter spin on the way back.

All of these can be done as a chase or as a butterfly, in split or same time. Its also great to be able to turn all of these 360 and some of them are actually easier that way.

Anyway, gimme some feedback, especially if you have some flower ideas I havent yet thought of.
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#465034 - 22/01/05 09:34 PM Re: All about flowers [Re: MikeIcon]
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hMM.. I'm loving flowers at the moment.

Nix wrote a post on PIP that inspired me alog with the Help of Fluffy Napalm Fariys damn fantasic flowers!

You can also.....

* isolate

* Pendulum one by stoipping the arm continuing the other then go in to antispin with it.
or changeing from weave arms to butterflyu arms ( or both or one after the other or any combination of sqinging) The ones at the top are hardest as the arms have no give as they are fully streatched out so you have to get your swing correct. There's alot of combinations of this. You can stop the other arm and just spin it while you swing the other or keep it going.

* Strange time. You move your arm when the poi is in line with you arm. If you do Parrellel time the arms move at different points one after the other. It's a bugger to get.

* Quater time arms. so instead of the arms being 180 degrees apart they are 90 degrees apart. Some carful turning is required as there's not enough space to turn.

* Atomic flowers. Keep the poi in the same plane. One arm move around the flat ground plan and one on the wall plane!

* umbrellers: Keeping the poi at right angles to your arms and move your arms about (Not really sure if its a flower?)

* other angle flowers so locking out at 30 degrees or any other angle.

Flowers are great and make you realise how much there is to learn. Antispin is still giving me hassle as bring the poi accross to the other side of your body can get real confusing.

Also airwraps are goo to put in flowers.

Hurah for flowers
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#465035 - 23/01/05 05:13 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: garthy]
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Registered: 22/06/04
Loc: Sydney, Australia
Half flowers are kind of like pendulums on steroids... aaargh...
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#465036 - 23/01/05 05:46 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: Puresock]
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Registered: 05/11/01
Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both
three point flowers, ttt (turning the time) flowers.

2-1 flowers (maybe an eight petal forward and 4 petal counter together)

hybrid, isolations with one hand and flowers with the other, not quite as hard as hybrid longarm one hand and isolation the other.

bah, its all just pointing yer hands about...

T
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#465037 - 23/01/05 08:47 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: [Nx?]]
grasshoppah Offline
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Registered: 04/11/03
Loc: Tampa, Florida
where could i find a video example of flowers?

i did a search already and came up empty handed.
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#465038 - 24/01/05 01:58 PM Re: All about flowers [Re: grasshoppah]
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Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
"Nick with Fire".

One of the influential promotors of flowers. And posture in general.
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#465039 - 24/01/05 08:48 PM Re: All about flowers [Re: grasshoppah]
MillenniuM Offline
Hyperloops suck

Registered: 10/07/03
Written by: grasshoppah


where could i find a video example of flowers?

i did a search already and came up empty handed.




I just posted a video a few days ago, link is in the forums... I do a very simple flower near the end of one of the burns. Can't really see me due to the flame being almost dead at that point, but you can see the pattern.

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#465040 - 24/01/05 11:39 PM Re: All about flowers [Re: grasshoppah]
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Registered: 01/05/02
Loc: London, UK
Written by: grasshoppah


where could i find a video example of flowers?

i did a search already and came up empty handed.



As NYC said anything by Nick Woolsey - his site is here

http://www.thevenue.org/firespinning_videos.htm

Dervishly Yers definitely has flowers on it, can't remember about the other one
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#465041 - 25/01/05 11:19 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: spiralx]
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Registered: 27/03/03
Loc: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Nick With Fire 1 also has flowers, though the ones in Dervishly yers are much nicer and more varied.
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#465042 - 25/01/05 02:16 PM Re: All about flowers [Re: MikeIcon]
Yuta Offline
journeyman

Registered: 28/02/04
Loc: Japan Tokyo/Miyazaki
http://hourouekaki.sub.jp/HOMURAMAI/mainframe.htm
VIDEO
26.5MB
or
14.9MB
you can find some flowers

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#465043 - 28/01/05 08:37 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: Yuta]
Dunc Offline
PLAY to your heart's content

Registered: 19/08/03
Loc: The Middle lands
wow, what a lovely pile of links!

Thanks guys! Finally I get to see dervishly yers and Yamasita-sans videos are cool too
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#465044 - 15/03/05 11:54 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: Dunc]
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Registered: 22/04/02
Loc: Bristol, England
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#465045 - 15/03/05 12:33 PM Re: All about flowers [Re: garthy]
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Registered: 27/03/03
Loc: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Nice one, Garthy. Will definately be playin a bit with those!
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#465046 - 21/03/05 11:01 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: MikeIcon]
garthy Offline
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Registered: 22/04/02
Loc: Bristol, England
Discovered two more types of flowers today (Well they're not on this list and it's nice to keep every thing here)

* Random Flowers ("bah, its all just pointing yer hands about..." - Nx?) - Random, move your arms about like a crazy clock face vary timing / Direction / Antispin . I reckon it probably looks a bit crap but it is good practice
* Full pendulem flowers - just swing the poi and move in time with arm circling

Also now poiinthepark is back up it would probably be good to link to the great flower articles there. http://www.poiinthepark.net/modules/articles/article.php?id=4 ( I'm sure there used to be two there though )

Hurrah for Flowers!
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#465047 - 22/03/05 02:59 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: garthy]
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NYC

Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
Am I correct that the only thing governing the number of petals in a flower is asthetics? We tend to gravitate towards 4 because they look better no?

If you slowly move your arms (like I used to for behind the head stuff) you can have a 500 petal flower.

Though, you do need to transfer from one side of the body to the other on a beat if you're turning.

Right?
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#465048 - 22/03/05 03:15 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: NYC]
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Loc: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Yep.
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#465049 - 22/03/05 03:16 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: NYC]
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big and good

Registered: 29/08/02
Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Written by: NYC


"Nick with Fire".

One of the influential promotors of flowers. And posture in general.




i think he may be the flower daddy to be fair...

nick was the first person to explore flowers properly that i ever saw or heard of.
he certainly was the first person to get antispin working well and is still the only person i've seen that can make it all look so easy.

*bows down*


cole. x
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#465050 - 22/03/05 03:41 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: coleman]
garthy Offline
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Registered: 22/04/02
Loc: Bristol, England
I think also 4 is easier to get looking correct.

Doing intervals of 36 degrees would be quite hard to get looking right but would give you a nice 10 point flower.
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#465051 - 22/03/05 04:28 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: coleman]
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NYC

Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
Written by: coleman


Written by: NYC


"Nick with Fire".

One of the influential promotors of flowers. And posture in general.




i think he may be the flower daddy to be fair...

nick was the first person to explore flowers properly that i ever saw or heard of.
he certainly was the first person to get antispin working well and is still the only person i've seen that can make it all look so easy.





No no, you forget all those "vampire spinners" that don't show up on film but they're all a million times better than all of us that people make up just to look cool.

Like this one guy I saw back 5 years before I was born spinning fire on a cliff in Thailand. He was doing flowers, isolations and crazy hyperloops. And whatever you guys think of tomorrow, yeah, he was doing some of those too. He was awesome.
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#465052 - 22/03/05 05:00 AM Re: All about flowers [Re: NYC]
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big and good

Registered: 29/08/02
Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay
vampire spinners, like the rabbits at a dog track, are the elusive, fake, and never attained high points which, for the benefit and amusement of our masters, keep us running, thinking and spinning in safe circles.




cole. x
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