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#454997 - 11/01/05 10:13 PM Doublestaff Atomic Weave
Analemma Offline
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Some of you said that they are playing with Butterflyweaving. So this one could be easier:
If you bend one plane of a butterfly weave by 90degree you end up in an Atomic Weave. (Bend another 90 Degree and you end up in a Spider)

The atom effect looks nicer with double staff than with Poi imo.

(To the Staffers - from the Poi Section )

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#454998 - 11/01/05 10:52 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: Analemma]
coleman Offline
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any extra tips for this andy?

i don't really get how it works with sticks...

*goes to try and make simian learn this so i can learn it from him*


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#454999 - 11/01/05 10:54 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: coleman]
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VIDEO go on you know you want to

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#455000 - 11/01/05 11:15 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: BamBam]
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#455001 - 11/01/05 11:49 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: ben-ja-men]
Analemma Offline
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extra tips?!?

hmmm - The only thing that I would recommend is to get into fingertwirling really well. And then apply the same principles as Poi. Fingertwirling with staffs is very similar to swinging Poi imo

Not really helpful but the best I can come up with right now



andy

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#455002 - 11/01/05 11:51 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: ben-ja-men]
strugz Offline
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Registered: 06/03/02
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How does it work?

Dude - with poi i understand but with stix - youve got the "other" end to get out the way?

Butterfly weaving works because of the plains making the staffs miss eachother, atomic weaving would involve the staffs rolling around eachother no?

**realises potential**

Thanks man

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#455003 - 11/01/05 11:56 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: strugz]
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yowsa

i dont think we have that many planes in ireland.

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#455004 - 11/01/05 11:57 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: strugz]
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I might be asking a really silly question but is it split time ?? if it is then I know of one person that does it...and it's a beautiful move

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#455005 - 12/01/05 12:25 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: BamBam]
coleman Offline
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i never done seen no-one do it so i reckon you'll have to work it out then teach me miss bammy


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#455006 - 12/01/05 12:28 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: coleman]
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cole your supposed to be a jedi use the force
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#455007 - 12/01/05 12:33 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: BamBam]
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Written by: Strugz

Dude - with poi i understand but with stix - youve got the "other" end to get out the way?

Butterfly weaving works because of the plains making the staffs miss eachother, atomic weaving would involve the staffs rolling around eachother no?





(This is thinking at my desk, so it might not work)

When I butterfly with staffs, the planes are not quite parallel , so that the staffs miss each other like you say. But isn't atomic stuff a case of increasing the not-parallelness up to a right angle? And then dealing with the contortions it puts on your body.

I've been playing with one atomic move where you roll one staff over the other, which feels lovely:

- Start witht the sticks in front of you, so they cross a foot forward of your chest. Hold your left staff palm up, with the back end going outside your elbow (as if you were halfway through a snake/wrist lockup).
- Hold the right staff any old way you like, and bring it up underneath the left staff, letting it roll over the top.
- Catch the rolling (right) staff, and take it in a nice longarm circle, so that it comes back to centre in the same wrist lock as the other (left) staff started in.
- While that's going on, the left staff does a similar circle (might have an extra beat in), so it arrives back to centre slightly after the right staff, just in time to roll over it and start again on the other side.
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#455008 - 12/01/05 12:35 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: mo-seph]
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hey does anyone have a clip or anything to show me this?
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#455009 - 12/01/05 03:25 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: minimaniac]
stickman Offline
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yea seriously, this is going way over my head.. a visual aid would be very helpful indeed..

it sounds really sweet (although i think *correct if im wrong* that there are two different moves being described here)

i think ill go practice for a year and come back to this thread then

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#455010 - 12/01/05 03:46 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: stickman]
Analemma Offline
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Registered: 22/05/03
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with poi i understand but with stix - youve got the "other" end to get out the way?



This is the beauty of Atoms - the "other" end is exactly going out of the way

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I might be asking a really silly question but is it split time ??



A difficult thing with staffs, and imo worth a topic of its own - Splittime DblStaff weaving is more or less the same as Sametime DblStaff weaving. Butterfly timing was always a problem (Splittime Butterflies are just a 90Degree Turned Sametime Butterflies). And with Staff Quartertime (Crosses) becomes so much more important than with Poi. So to answer your question: Atoms are somewhere inbetween But I perfer playing them in Quartertime. Gonna have to play a little bit more with sametime though.

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But isn't atomic stuff a case of increasing the not-parallelness up to a right angle? And then dealing with the contortions it puts on your body.



I wouldnt go for the contortions but i agree 100%. There seems to be a particular difference between Bended Butterfly weaving and Atomic weaving - but I havent quite figured out what it is .... Arashi might know.
The Move you descirbed sound nice - but I dont understand some of the terms (now I know how a newbie must feel in the Poi section )

andy

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#455011 - 12/01/05 11:23 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: Analemma]
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. . . must resist . . . the dark side . . . . .




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#455012 - 02/02/05 03:48 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: mo-seph]
Kyle McLean Offline
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*bump*
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#455013 - 02/02/05 03:58 AM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: Kyle McLean]
Kyle McLean Offline
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Registered: 03/07/03
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Just wanted to mention that this atomic stuff can still be fun even if you are not a finger twirler (I only ever use my fingers as a last ditch attempt not to drop a stick).
You can avoid broken limbs by doing two figure 8s at 90o from eachother. So you kind of bounce from one atom to the other and they sort or make a square around you. Word, that was clear.
You can also learn to do contact moves at a 45o angle from your center. This lets you have an X in front of you that does funny things...

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#455014 - 26/04/05 12:30 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: Kyle McLean]
arashi Offline
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Registered: 21/03/02
Loc: austin,tx
whoop i shoud read these staff sections.

inverted weave contact staff rolls make me wish i did more staff

atomics weaves for staff- evolved from an old marching band band-twirler's move. the atomic section of my "inversions insides atomics" thread pretty much translates directly to staff, but good luck with the crane areas, though i imagine they are easier with staff.
i would start with "inverted to outside" rolling, just flip the atom around in your hands
once you can move it around a bit try breaking one away and fitting it in at random moments
then move in to the inside and overhead transitions

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#455015 - 26/04/05 07:55 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: arashi]
Analemma Offline
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Registered: 22/05/03
Loc: Just married
hello mr. arashi - we gonna have to join our forces on this weekend to resist the dark power of staffs.

(good to have you here )

lets draw some circles



andy

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#455016 - 26/04/05 08:48 PM Re: Doublestaff Atomic Weave [Re: Analemma]
bluecat Offline
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Registered: 15/12/02
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thanks for the bump kyle.

i've been working a LOT on dual plane work recently.

not what i#d call atomics, but thats mostly cause my aesthetic brain doesn't agree with atomics.

but my god theres a lot out there in dual plane....


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