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lala32
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     12/07/04 03:26 PM

Ok.....I feel like an idot because I still haven't gotten the weave. Right now it is the only thing holding me back from advancing. You would think that I wouldn't be able to do everything else, but it's just the weave.

My cousin says that my left hand goes retarded everytime I try it. Which she would happen to be correct. I have been working on many techniques in order to learn it, but nothing I have done so far seems to be helping.

Does anyone have any ideas? I would really appreciate the suggestions.


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fNi
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  new 12/07/04 03:54 PM

umm watch the HOP videos.. heh
intro thread?

those things aside, it helps to just practice the arm/hand movements without the poi, then pracitce each hand with just one poi, doing the movements with both hands but only swinging one; then switch hands, and do the same thing; then try putting both together

hope this helps

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tales
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  new 12/07/04 04:40 PM

just remember to go up down and out, its a 3 beat sequence so on your left side your right hand does 2 full circles and left hand does 2 on the right side.when you go to your right side your left hand leads and when you go to your left side the right hand leads.im sure youll get it soon, it would be easy to learn if someone just controlled your arms and then let go when you got it going.

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jaero
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  new 12/07/04 04:46 PM

the way I learned was by doing a 2 beat weave... aka a figure 8. then, try to stretch it to a 3 beat by doing an extra half rotation on one side. this is the same way I learned how to do a 4 and 5 beat. good luck and watch out for that crotch!!!

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tales
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  new 12/07/04 04:48 PM

ive done a 5 beat but i dunno how.i guess ill try to learn that now

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Katch
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  new 12/07/04 09:12 PM

Lala... concentrate on your less dominant hand... Over, under, out... over, under, out... You'll whack yourself a few times but you'll get it eventually. Your right hand/arm already knows what needs to be done and will follow after a few tries.

Hope it helps!

Edited by Katch (12/07/04 09:13 PM)


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vanize
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  new 12/07/04 10:15 PM

when I teach the weave, I usually try the approach Jaero mentioned. If that doesn't work after a while, I will actually get behind the person and use my hands to guide their hands through it for a few rotations. Often times just giving the muscles the idea of what the pattern feels like can make all the difference. I find this technique is also very effective for teaching thread the needle.

So I dunno if your cousin actually does poi or is just being an astute observer, but if she does do poi, then try this technique (or find someone who can do this for you - easier if they are taller than you).

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MiG
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  new 12/07/04 11:02 PM

I have a post on here about it, but i think it fell down a bit. hopefully that can help you.

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lala32
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  new 13/07/04 07:04 AM

Thanks for the advice everyone. I went back and looked at the video to see if I was missing a step, or doing something that neither I or the group caught. It turns out while I was studying my movements I was bringing it over, out, under, out.....and obviously the extra out was what was doing it.
So, I have corrected my mistake and now have the weave! YAY!
It's not all that pretty now....but at least it is right.
Thanks again everyone!


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lala32
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  new 13/07/04 07:06 AM

PS: My right hand is still retarded...lol.

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spiralx
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  new 13/07/04 09:58 PM

Congratulations!

You'll find that one hand will be retarded for ages while you're learning... after 2 1/2 years I can usually get my left hand to do what I want but occasionally it will still let me down

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Edited by spiralx (13/07/04 09:59 PM)


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Dut
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  new 14/07/04 10:19 AM

also, you're about to have to learn to turn that around into the reverse weave, and the retarded hand will continue to hold you back unless you beat it into submission...

can you do an "x cross"? just swing at your sides, forward, same time. then pull up on the upswing and cross your arms over so your making the same planes w/ your circles and the same hand motions on the opposite side of your body. keep doing this and crossing it with either hand on top. forward circles, cross left on top, back out to regular circles, cross right on top, back out, ...

this will help you practice keeping your hands in synch really well on the other side of your body, and will help if you do it reverse when you're trying to learn the reverse weave. good luck!

-- dut

Edited by Dut (14/07/04 10:21 AM)


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pengwino
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  new 19/07/04 09:39 AM

For all weave moves I find it really helpful to count the beats as you spin each circle. I don't know if that's an obvious thing to do but anyway there's my little tip.

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Flame Boy
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  new 20/07/04 01:21 AM

I dunno if you know what I mean by 2, 3, 4 and 5 beat weaves, but if you can understand this then hopefully it'll help you.
Start doing the 2 beat weave with your right hand crossing, as your left arm moves across your body you will notice it is above your right arm, now all you need to do is swing your left hand underneath your right and then it will be your right arm that moves across your body to your left side rather than your left arm. I hope this helps.

One really good tip I can offer is to use two sticks the same length as your pois, then you can go through the routine really slowly and watch exactly where your hands need to go.

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StarlyStar
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  new 31/07/04 06:31 PM

I can't work out if i'm doing a 2 or a 3 beat...i presume its probably a 2, my right hand does most of the work, my left hand follows and comes above my right as my hands pass to the right side of my body.

Is this a 2?

confused.


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  new 01/08/04 06:03 AM

Written by: Flame Boy



One really good tip I can offer is to use two sticks the same length as your pois, then you can go through the routine really slowly and watch exactly where your hands need to go.




I learnt the 3beat with clubs. I also taught weave that way to a friend. We'd tried for an hour or so with poi, in various incarnations, but she wasn't getting it. Within 5 minutes of playing with the clubs she had it.


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meep
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  new 01/08/04 06:06 AM

Written by: StarlyStar


I can't work out if i'm doing a 2 or a 3 beat...i presume its probably a 2, my right hand does most of the work, my left hand follows and comes above my right as my hands pass to the right side of my body.

Is this a 2?

confused.




Does your right hand start out on top on the left?

On the left side the right hand does an "over" circle, an "under" circle, then follows the left hand across. Then on the right the left hand does an over, and under, then follows the right across...


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StarlyStar
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  new 01/08/04 07:14 AM

Does your right hand start out on top on the left?

Yes!

On the left side the right hand does an "over" circle, an "under" circle, then follows the left hand across. Then on the right the left hand does an over, and under, then follows the right across...

Yes! i think so anyway

Is the 2 beat as simple as crossing your arms to make the figure of eight?

Edited by StarlyStar (01/08/04 07:32 AM)


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spiralx
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  new 01/08/04 10:46 AM

That's the 3 beat weave... and yes, the 2 beat weave is that simple

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StarlyStar
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  new 01/08/04 05:26 PM

Written by: spiralx


That's the 3 beat weave... and yes, the 2 beat weave is that simple




Wooo! great stuff

thanx!


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meep
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  new 01/08/04 08:23 PM

woohoo, go you

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Zavie
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  new 04/08/04 09:51 AM

Thank you so much for this website!
I've started POI just a few days ago and pretty proud to get moves fast.
but right now I have the same problem as lala: I can't get the weave move.
And I think the major problem I have is "How do I start????" (a problem I often have, actually).
But I think trying using sticks will help me get it.
I'll tell you if it worked....


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meep
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  new 04/08/04 07:38 PM

Zavie, for me, i stood with both hands on one side. Left arm by your left side. Right arm across your body infront of your left arm. You swing the right arm first, then the left, then the right again. At the front of the left arm's circle, let it go to the right side and do the same thing there.

Lynne

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simian
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  new 04/12/04 02:34 PM

*bump* to add some quotes from elsewhere...

Written by: pk

Weave....

The weave is pretty much the first move that any one attempts to achieve. Most of you who are reading this and trying to learn will find it hard and will do a 2 beat weave to start (one beat on ether side).

Start off spinning your poi one on each side of you left on left and right on right!.

2 beat, forwards or backwards can be done 2 different ways, single beat on the same side of your body and a single beat on the opposite side of your body. forwards with your right hand passing over your left or under your left and exactly the same in reverse. This will help you with the 4 beat later on. hint hint. these moves can be done in same time too.

3 beat

Forwards: Now for the tricky part, leading with your right poi, take it over to the left but as you are moving the right poi you should also move the left over to the right but most importantly even if doing a 2 beat weave, all ways move your right arm over the left!!! (be warned because this is where you say I can not do a 3 beat weave). Then once your left poi has rotated once on the right side bring it back over to the left, as it is rotating on the left side follow it with your arm and take your left arm over your right and across to the right side let it spin half a rotation and follow over with your right arm for one rotation following with your right arm take it over your left arm and across to the left side of you again, the left poi is doing its second rotation on the right side then follow across to the left side. You have now just done the 3 beat weave.

Reverse: leading with your right poi, take it over to the left but as you are moving the right poi you should also move the left over to the right but most importantly even if doing a 2 beat weave, all ways move your right arm under the left!!! (be warned because this is where you say I can not do a 3 beat reverse weave). Then once your left poi has rotated once on the right side bring it back over to the left, as it is rotating on the left side follow it with your arm and take your left arm under your right and across to the right side let it spin half a rotation and follow over with your right arm for one rotation following with your right arm take it under your left arm and across to the left side of you again, the left poi is doing its second rotation on the right side then follow across to the left side. You have now just done the 3 beat reverse weave.




Written by: simian

don't think smacking yourself repeatedly in the head with your poi is a bad thing. It means you're pushing yourself. Hit yourself enough and you'll learn to do the move right through sheer self-preservation.

Anyone who doesn't hit themselves in the head with their poi obviously isn't trying hard enough

Um weave tips... I've seen people learn the weave loads and loads of different ways. You'll find your way if you're willing to hit yourself enough When you do it the first time it'll just click, and you'll be able to do it from then on.

Here's some ideas

1. Do the movements with nothing in your hands
2. Do the movements with a short (6"ish) stick holding both ends in your hands.
3. Do the movements with one poi at a time, holding your other hand straight out forwards
(so you swing over your empty hand, then under your empty hand then back to the other side, then over your hand, then under....)
4. Spin at different speeds. You might find it easier to learn it spinning really slow, or really fast, but most likely somewhere inbetween.
5. Practice the basic elements - spinning split time with straight planes, then crossing them over split timed.
6. Practice spinning the poi using just your fingers, then just your wrists, and then keeping your arms as straight as you can. This'll teach your body different ways of controlling the path of the poi.

umm, theres more I'm sure. But my mind is blank

Basically just play. All the time your muscles are learning, even though you might think you're not making any progress.

Ooh! One last thing: Something that helped me when I was first learning was every time I messed up I'd say "AGAIN!" really sternly like a master teaching a student in a kung-fu movie. That helped me a lot.




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Cuz
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  new 12/07/05 11:06 PM

Wow! I was just about to come on and say -ARGH! i'm a retard - i'm the only person in the whole world who can't do the 3 beat weave - but as it turns out, maybe i am not.
Amen to the stuff about hitting yourself in the head - i've only been doing poi for about 5 days and already i have nearly winded myself by hitting my back and smacked myself in the face - that actually hurt quite a lot!!! i too have a retarded left hand!
I am loving the poi though, particularly in the garden in the sun - although i find if i do it for too long i just get disheartened and hurt quite a lot!!!
Thanks for all the advice on here on how to master the weave - i shall keep at it!


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