i've said this many times. 90% of the truly tremendous spinners i've met don't post here on hop. in fact i've never seen what i would consider a _world class_ spinner on hop linked videos or on the 2 COL vids i've seen. you gotta figure, as all of us practice, there's people out there that practice just as hard or harder, but for 15+ years longer. most of them hide their stuff from the spinner community, much less post them on the net. (heck even i don't reveal a 5th of my best stuff, a magician's gotta have his secrets

) hoppers are really lucky to have people like glass, coleman, bluecat, bender, and others (you know who you are) that have a good grasp on movement fundamentals posting here and selflessly helping people. the progression that the newbies are able to undergo as a result cannot be underestimated, and an enourmous gift is here, whether it is known and appreciated or not. i DID teach myself the 5 beat, and everything past it to the 9-11's. and it took me 6 years to get that high. now a newbie can learn them before he can even do the bfly!
ha ha actually i just remembered the day that the 5 beat finally showed up on hop. i was still perusing the social boards at that point flirting with cassandra and cracking jokes with superman, avoiding the poi moves section cause it was such an insurmountable task to catch the boards up to what is out there. in fact, seeing everybody's reaction to "this insane new move" is what moved me to pity the hoppers and start posting some fun-ner moves for folks here in the poi moves section. i remember posting some harder stuff like parallel weaves and BTL weaves and just confusing people. oh wait i still do that
oh yeah, i remember somebody posting a really cool move, bfly between the shouder blades like you were clasping your hands together behind your back, one elbow up the other down. that was the other straw that brought me here to the poi moves section too. hmmm... wonder who posted that move? musta been coleman...