Perpetual Tangle Buzzsaw

yo,

this is something the ddragon said before, but i think it warants its own post for ease of future referance.

you can make a tangle buzzsaw go forever:

go into tangle buzzsaw.

make 'isolation' motions with both hands, but not full on isolations, just a little bit.

err, thats it.

helpfull hints.

get a good even tangle buzzsaw in the first place, both poi the same length through the tangle.

move both hands the same amount.

keep the isolated strings between your hands and the tangle 'level', dont be holding your left hand a bit higher.

the hardest thing about perpetual tangle is that it has a tendancy to become uneven, and this quickly spirals out of controle. the tips above should rectify that.

have fun!

T

You can do full isolations if you tangle then move to quartertime (+) isolations. The poi aren't actually tangled, but they're on the wrong sides so is a little messsed up.

Also try hands spinning in opposite directions in a tanlge buzzsaw - cos it's silly!

yeah, i was gonna say they are sorta tangled/not tangled sittling behind the tangle, but i thought it would be a bit confusing so i didnt. something to notice after you get it I think.

blue finds thease easier when moving them in a tangle buzzsaw fountain....meh!

T

Good good stuff.

Dom: did you mean both hands spinning in opposite directions?

or both hands spinning in the opposite direction to the buzzsaw?

the latter is indeed silly and i love it

but the former is proper crazy but would still work...

you can move your hands pretty much however you want in a tangle buzzsaw, the only problem is maintaining the momentum.

if you do a forwards tangle, then move your hands as if you were doing a reverse buzzsaw, then its pretty hard to keep the momentum
UNLESS
you also move your reverse buzzsawing hands in a large forwards circle (like a flower), keeping the tangled bit a little isolated to keep the speed up.

(of course, i can't do this stuff with any degree of reliability or cleanliness )

Well i didn't actually mean you can keep them going forever ...but its a good way to learn how to keep them going for a real long time. I think weight and chain link play a huge part in it.

If any of you have seen afew of the glowstring vid's, you would have seen that alot of them can keep the hyp buzzsaw going (nearly) forever...i think it has to do with the string...any way if you have good medium size heads and thin strong chain its realisticly possible to get alot of rotations. I find it eaiser to do on fire than with pratice poi, it could be the weight or maybee just the adrenalin

another limiting factor is that the chain\string\sock gets twisted up unless your hands switch to the other side of the tangle (like you do in a buzzsaw fountain)

EDIT - or if you keep your hands isolating with the poi.

so a twistier 'poi body' makes them easier to keep going. Bootlaces are very twisty, sock poi are possibly the worst for this...

although that doesn't matter if you've got good swivel joints near the handles.

ball chain is twist-up proof.

and it makes a gorgeous noise when you enter and exit tangles

hmmm, i love then noise of a perfectly executed hyperloop on ball chain...

i've found that if you isolate for a while, as much as you like, then at the right time snap both your hands back to the normal hyperloop position it just gives the tangle loads more momentum as the chains hit together again. so you can switch between it being isolated and normal as much as you like

neh. ball chain= bad. you can't check if they're gonna break of not...and it's happened. with fire poi. ick. but rope poi work really well..hard pressed to do a hyperloop with those...

Anti-spin!

lightning,

:R

Isolating your hands backwards split time during a forwards tangle is indeed very silly, and very tricky to exit, thanks to bluecat for introducing that silliness to me.


That action (perpetual tangles) is what some folks refer to as Oli-ing.

The action is to jump the leading poi over the nexus, the trailing poi should follow on it's own. 'Much like riding a horse'

At this point there is loosness in the nexus, as you jump the lead poi over again the nexus tightens again. This is the time that you are correcting the various lengths of everything to balance out.

Socks work well because of the grip they have on each other. This allows for very fine tuning.

m

that's the best description of oli-ing i've ever read right there ^

thank-you for that matt you rock

rating this thread a five for that gem.


cole. x

cheers coleman,

off topic:
I've got so much i need to explain but it's just overwhelming me at the moment. Where to begin? I'm trying to figure a way to get it all out in some cohesive way. I have all the tools needed to do it, i even have some time. I've just spent a year watching video upon video of all this stuff in slo mo and lots of concepts have really crystalised.

Anyhoo, pm me if you have any thoughts about how to get it all down.

btw, i like the term 'perpetual tangle' waaaay more than 'infinite tangle' etc

clarify for me whats the difference from a tangle busaws and an orbital because from what yall are say they sound like the same move

tangle stays on two planes that are 90° one each other and orbital is on two planes that are not at 90°...

something like:
tangle
o
|
-------
|
o

orbital
o
/
-------
/
o

I hope I'm true...

Acciaio

Er...Personally I'd say "Tangle buzzsaw" is old-skool speak for orbitals.

The difference in the first post would be it's describing more an "oli-loop" style orbital when you keep the poi going by pushing the tangle in a circular motion, where as an orbital tends to rely on the entry speed, i.e. a tangle is active, an orbital is passive.

Possibly

Sounds good to me, Durbs.

so a tangle buzzsaw is effectivly the same as a hyperloop entry? or am i mistaken?