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#313880 - 30/03/04 12:35 PM fire breathing/eating (this may not go here)
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	go easy on me im new.. ive been spitting fire for over 2 years now without any issues (knocks on wood) i saw it done outside a club went home practiced the spray pattern with water then went to differant alcohols.. works great for me.. i use really high proof alcohols, decent flame, relatively safe to hold in the mouth over other fuels.. so heres my question.. i want to move up to fire eating.. ive read a little but it seems like im the only person breathing fire with alcohol most people seem to use various fuels... will i run into any problems using the same alcohol to fuel my tourches for fire eating? thanks in advance for any help... Edited by DarkProphet (30/03/04 12:36 PM)
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#313881 - 30/03/04 01:45 PM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: DarkProphet]
Hayze member Registered: 30/03/04	Please stop blowing fire using alcohol. In fact, check out Pele's post on this thread: http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000314 There are 2 reasons not to blow with alcohol: 1) Extremely dangerous due to the low flash point. 2) Very unimpressive flames. If you do fire-eating, my recommendation on fuel would be Coleman's Camping Fuel or Naptha.
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#313882 - 30/03/04 04:00 PM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: Hayze]
darkpoet Irish Registered: 14/05/03 Loc: Dallas.........ish	ok im going to say this once and never again before one of the admin comes in and slaps you in the face NEVER EVER EVER USE FUELS LIKE COLEMANS AND MOST DEFINATELY NOT NAPTHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good god do you people ever read!!!!!!! colemans=white gas (aka uber refined cleaner burning gasoline) which has every bit of a more dangerous flash point than any alchoholic fuel and it burns about 10 times hotter now.....honestly....what idiot would use colemans to blow fire? on the second part....Naptha?? thats just as dumb as colemans!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! damn straight to look at peles post, maybe you should look at the other things shes written as well like her "season in hell article" and the do's and donts about breathing Never ever ever ever and let me emphasize this NEVER use anything even remotely similar to naptha or colemans to blow with personally i use ultra pure lamp oil.......this keeps me from getting things like chemical burn and the fuel is only explosive in an aerated form.....unlike colemans which can very easily create vapor fires......research blowing techniques before you make such a stupid reccomendation again Edited by darkpoet (01/04/04 07:09 AM) _________________________ Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for cash and prizes Co-Founder of Keepers of Light Educate yourself about the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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#313883 - 31/03/04 12:09 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
funken member Registered: 27/02/04 Loc: Germany, Stuttgart	but you have to use coleman or white gas to eat fire without no firetransfers are possible but don`t do Fire Breathing with it its very dangerous
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#313884 - 31/03/04 05:38 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
musashii starring Skippy the green llama Registered: 14/12/02 Loc: Seattle, WA	darkpoet, reread again, the recommendation was to use white gas for fire _eating_, as it is the fuel of choice for most fire eaters. Lamp oil is really not as safe for fire eating with, imo..Beyond that I'd reccomend using isopropyl alcohol while learning, then work your way up to white gas, as the flame is much brighter, read hotter once you move up. Check out mephisto's site for all you need to learn about fire eating, and be safe _________________________ First intention, then enlightenment.. Ars Pyronomica " Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."
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#313885 - 01/04/04 03:23 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	Quote: ok im going to say this once and never again before one of the admin comes in and slaps you in the face NEVER EVER EVER USE FUELS LIKE COLEMANS AND MOST DEFINATELY NOT NAPTHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good god do you people ever read!!!!!!! colemans=white gas (aka uber refined cleaner burning gasoline) which has every bit of a more dangerous flash point than any alchoholic fuel and it burns about 10 times hotter now.....honestly....what idiot would use colemans to blow fire? on the second part....Naptha?? thats just as dumb as colemans!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! damn straight to look at peles post, maybe you should look at the other things shes written as well like her "season in hell article" and the do's and donts about breathing Never ever ever ever and let me emphasize this NEVER use anything even remotely similar to naptha or colemans to blow or eat with personally i use ultra pure lamp oil.......this keeps me from getting things like chemical burn and the fuel is only explosive in an aerated form.....unlike colemans which can very easily create vapor fires......research blowing techniques before you make such a stupid reccomendation again well my first post starts in contreversey (sp?) lol so anyway ive noticed that when i spit fire the fire is relatively small but i also have yet to attempt anything larger.. i THINK that alcohol is very limiting.. like i doubt ill be able to make a nice tower of flame out of alcohol.... but it also wont do all that nasty [censored] that some of the other fuels listed seem to do.. so am i a profesional fire performer? no not at all.. would i like to at some point? maybe and that is why im asking.. i currently perform magic... but am CONSIDERING a fire routine, that is why im trying to learn more about it.. i guess what im really asking is.. i already spit fire with alcohol.. and MAYBE that will evolve into a differant fuel at some point.. but as of now.. i feel safe with it... now back to my question.. as to eliminate the need for multiple fuels.. is it safe to eat fire with alcohol fueled tourches... AND what are some other fuels that i maybe should consider? keep in mind ive stuck with alcohol becuase ive read so much sick [censored] about the other fuels.. like gum disease and things like that..
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#313886 - 01/04/04 03:25 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: musashii]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	Quote: Check out mephisto's site for all you need to learn about fire eating, and be safe a link to that site would be very much appreciated
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#313887 - 01/04/04 07:08 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: musashii]
darkpoet Irish Registered: 14/05/03 Loc: Dallas.........ish	ew you actually put white gas in your mouth???........anyways i dont know about eating fire but i most definately know about blows...and dont ever...ever do a blow with white gas....if you dont die...you wont have a face....simple.....my apologies but recommending naptha to anybody is just wrong........unless your a sadist....still wrong...but you enjoy the consequences....... anyways.....for blows use ultra pure lamp oil, it doesnt give chemical burn (ive got sensitive skin) and it is relatively safe compared to other fuels......personally i dont use alchohol (sp?) because i dont like having any sort of intoxicant in me while im performing...........lol...a shot now or then but yeah...............irishness..... anyways......you can get very very drunk by using a high proof liquor to to blows with, and with isopropyl i think theres some other side effects but i dont know what....only thing i know about isopropyl is that in the states (as far as i know) the only way to get it is a fuel additive called heet.......and i use it for spinnin green fire _________________________ Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for cash and prizes Co-Founder of Keepers of Light Educate yourself about the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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#313888 - 01/04/04 08:15 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	Quote: for blows use ultra pure lamp oil i see a product in my local general stores called exactly that "ultra pure lamp oil" it says that it is odorless and smokeless... i was ok with it until i read it was odorless and smokeless.. because i read somewhere else that anything that is odorless and smokeless is bad.. but on it it says something like 99% pure..
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#313889 - 01/04/04 08:48 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: DarkProphet]
darkpoet Irish Registered: 14/05/03 Loc: Dallas.........ish	then methinks youve got the wrong thing, ultra pure is basically liquid chapstick go to lamplightfarms.com and look at there ultra pure.....only difference btw ultra pure and aviation grade kerosene is that the kero is a bit more refined..not by too much though anyways they have to put something into it to keep it in a liquid form or else youd have a solid block of parrafin wax, its one of the best things you can get i also take a tablet of activated charcoal before and after a performance and always drinking water/washing the fuel off in hopes of dilution you could also use vegetable oil, but your blows are 1/3 of the size and it makes you want to gag.....but yeas..... _________________________ Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for cash and prizes Co-Founder of Keepers of Light Educate yourself about the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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#313890 - 01/04/04 08:57 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
Cody That guy from Reno Registered: 03/09/03 Loc: Reno, Nevada USA	The firebreathers in my group use the ultrapure lampoil. I like to describe it as 99% parafin wax and 1% organic solvent that will eventually kill you. , but that's what your liver's for, just don't abuse it. _________________________ Cody Canon AKA EFP Controlled Burn, Reno Nevada
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#313891 - 01/04/04 09:18 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: Cody]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	i see you guys experiment with differant fuels for poi so why not Fire Breathing? how about alcohol.. and some vegi oil? any idea of how a mix of that would go? the advatage would be it would be safer and maybe the alcohol would aid in its ability to burn? i mean i may be making this harder than it needs to be.. lol but its just a thought... thanks again for all the helpful info..
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#313892 - 01/04/04 09:29 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: DarkProphet]
darkpoet Irish Registered: 14/05/03 Loc: Dallas.........ish	If i had used half of the fuels ive spun with to blow fire with.....id either be dead, missing my face, or my teeth would have dissolved........ to spin with i use a mix of ultra pure and white gas...ive tried to blow with citronella and a few other types of lamp oil each giving me moderate chemical burn the worst being citronella making my lips and my tongue tingle (i know i know..i was being an idiot) next up was pure lamp oil, or so i thought...that stuff also gave me chemical burn and i ended up getting petroleum poisoning (very mild) because of how it absorbed into my bloodstream.....many times while blowing, even when done properly, the roof of your mouth will absorb the petrol and the results can be like a stuffy head except your head leaks lamp oil...not fun but it only happens if you blow alot in one night (blew around 4 gallons of fuel) ultra pure at most has given me a stomach ache but that was because i accidentally swallowed some...nothing too serious the mixing of fuels is a good idea but the mixing of 2 liquids that arent miscible isnt...its like oil and water you cant make a proper mix of alchohol and oil so yeas...... _________________________ Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for cash and prizes Co-Founder of Keepers of Light Educate yourself about the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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#313893 - 01/04/04 09:38 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	Quote: If i had used half of the fuels ive spun with to blow fire with.....id either be dead, missing my face, or my teeth would have dissolved........ to spin with i use a mix of ultra pure and white gas...ive tried to blow with citronella and a few other types of lamp oil each giving me moderate chemical burn the worst being citronella making my lips and my tongue tingle (i know i know..i was being an idiot) next up was pure lamp oil, or so i thought...that stuff also gave me chemical burn and i ended up getting petroleum poisoning (very mild) because of how it absorbed into my bloodstream.....many times while blowing, even when done properly, the roof of your mouth will absorb the petrol and the results can be like a stuffy head except your head leaks lamp oil...not fun but it only happens if you blow alot in one night (blew around 4 gallons of fuel) ultra pure at most has given me a stomach ache but that was because i accidentally swallowed some...nothing too serious the mixing of fuels is a good idea but the mixing of 2 liquids that arent miscible isnt...its like oil and water you cant make a proper mix of alchohol and oil so yeas...... good call about them not mixing... didn't even think about it... im willing to try lamp oil.. i guess im just concerned about getting the right stuff.. as i already use alcohol and it works good.. if i go to lamp oil i can try to achieve a tower? like the fire WON'T chase back into my mouth? i understand how to spit fire with alcohol i am just wondering how much safer lamp oil is over alcohol? like worth switching to obtain bigger fire?
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#313894 - 01/04/04 10:56 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: DarkProphet]
Cody That guy from Reno Registered: 03/09/03 Loc: Reno, Nevada USA	Lamp oil is much better, only the vapor catches and towers are very possible. We've tried the veg-oil/alcohol mix before too. You have to shake up the contianer before you put it in your mouth, and the fire krackles. Tastes like crap though. _________________________ Cody Canon AKA EFP Controlled Burn, Reno Nevada
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#313895 - 01/04/04 11:10 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: Cody]
darkpoet Irish Registered: 14/05/03 Loc: Dallas.........ish	just saying....towers are very possible....the biggest ive blown solo is somewhere between 18-23ft........dont bother doing a tower inside.....its just not worth it [image]http://only-viewable-at.homeofpoi.com/mycgi/album.cgi?album=darkpoet[/image] just go there.....ive got some pix up...and if i can ever figure out how to delete pictures ill have some bad fire sword pix up too _________________________ Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for cash and prizes Co-Founder of Keepers of Light Educate yourself about the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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#313896 - 01/04/04 11:38 AM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: darkpoet]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	Quote: just saying....towers are very possible....the biggest ive blown solo is somewhere between 18-23ft........dont bother doing a tower inside.....its just not worth it [image]http://only-viewable-at.homeofpoi.com/mycgi/album.cgi?album=darkpoet[/image] just go there.....ive got some pix up...and if i can ever figure out how to delete pictures ill have some bad fire sword pix up too i guess i need to try lamp oil... just so i can see how it works out... a lot of what i do is inside so i guess thats one reason alcohol and small fire balls instead of big towers have worked for me.... but you guys have swayed me to at least try lamp oil...
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#313897 - 01/04/04 12:05 PM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: DarkProphet]
Cody That guy from Reno Registered: 03/09/03 Loc: Reno, Nevada USA	Inside I suggest keep with the alcohol, but do the lamp outside. The lamp tends to get floors "oily" and slippery. Plus lampoil fireballs indoors are freeking huge. We tried it in in the Golden Phoenix Theatre/show room here in reno and darn near hit the roof. _________________________ Cody Canon AKA EFP Controlled Burn, Reno Nevada
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#313898 - 01/04/04 12:22 PM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: Cody]
DarkProphet member Registered: 30/03/04	Quote: Inside I suggest keep with the alcohol, but do the lamp outside. The lamp tends to get floors "oily" and slippery. Plus lampoil fireballs indoors are freeking huge. We tried it in in the Golden Phoenix Theatre/show room here in reno and darn near hit the roof. see i knew this site was great.. lol plan A: if being used in a magic act (which as stated i already do) ill stick with alcohol.. as i am already used to it and am easy working with it plan B: i work on lamp oil in case i get a chance to do something outdoors.. thanks for all the help.. so what EXACTLY am i looking for in lamp oil
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#313899 - 01/04/04 12:27 PM Re: fire breathing/eating (this may not go here) [Re: DarkProphet]
Cody That guy from Reno Registered: 03/09/03 Loc: Reno, Nevada USA	Woah that'll teach me not to read the whole thread. I was working witha an Illusionist at the Golden Phoenix named Eli Kerr. He uses alcohol in his acts indoors. _________________________ Cody Canon AKA EFP Controlled Burn, Reno Nevada
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