Isolation - what???

what actually is isolation with poi?

i do a spot of contact juggling where isolation is where you move your hads round the ball so it looks like your hans are moving but the ball is still and completely frictionless.

as far as i can tell, this can't be what poi isolation is, cos poi aren't clear like contact balls, plus they have a string which would make it pretty hard. all of which leads me to the question - WTF IS POI ISOLATION??????



thank dudes!


ps - we really need a 'frustrated' emoticon to demonstrate the aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhh!!! of not being able to master a move.

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What, like this one

An isolation is basically moving the centre of from the hand up the poi, toward the head. When people talk of them here they generally mean the centre of spin is the middle of the poi chain and the head and hand are orbitting edge of the circle. Chasing each other.

A good example is the buzzsaw where it feels like your moving your hands on a bicycle peddle. Best practiced one hand at a time.

If you want to know about something the best thing to do is search using the search tab. There's loads of threads with hints, tips and variations....

nice article on isolations by the lovely nx? over on poiinthepark here.

i recommend one hand doing 'shopping bags' and gradually turning them into solid isolations by taking the movement your hand does all the way round in a full circle to isolate the middle of the string/chain.

then work on both hands

thanks guys!

i think is a bit too angry for me - i don't look like that very often . I guess i'm a bit more than but occasionally .

OMG!!! i think i might have just figured out what i'm doing wrong.

do you mean that the cantre of the poi stays still (i.e. 1/2 way down the handle) not the actual weight on the end?

(i was trying to get my hand to go round the end of the poi which is why i thought my arms weren't long enough!)

i can't wait to get home and practice now!!!!

Exactly. If you do a "perfect" isolation, halfway down your chain there should be a spot that doesn't swing in a circle at all, but simply rotates around. With ballchain, if you did a perfect isolation, one of the balls would stay perfectly still. Now go practice and be very frustrated for a while!

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that was mean. But sadly true.

I’ve had some “late night” thoughts on isolations, which could be way off-track, as I haven’t got anywhere near perfect isolations.

Anyhow, I thought I’d bump this thread on isolations because it asks the direct question What actually is isolation with poi? Which I’m not sure has ever been answered. Like there is a lot of information on how to do isolations, but not much about what they actually are.

The answer I suggest is that a poi becomes isolated, at that point in space when the poi is suspended for a fraction of a second (apogee) between a forward and a backwards circle.

This is for outside isolations because it seems more obvious with them, but they shouldn’t be any difference to inside ones,

Does that make sense?

In most isolations the poi never becomes suspended because the point of rotation is actually somewhere on the chain, not the head. The only real way to do what you describe, Stone, is to do a toss where you swing the handle over the head and catch it.

An isolation, to me, is simply when the point of rotation moves up the chain. A throw as described above would then be an isolated toss/throw.

Icon's right on this one...if you watch the spin, the poi heads move, as do the hands.
The center of rotation is somewhere along the chain.

Unless you're Dom... and do "real" isolations.

YEs but Dom is super human when it comes to spinning!

I was going to post post something here but feel silly now. Oh well.

Total, or 'Point' isolations are possible for most of a rotation without throwing - just move your arm instead. Sometime soon I'll have to do that video I've been meaning to do for ages.

Stone - if you're in Melburp do you kow Cass - she can do them. She'll state she can't, but she can.

Sorry, Dom, didn't mean to make you feel silly.

I look forward to seeing the Point Isolations....

mmmm. point isolations are lush.
got two full rounds of flower points when i practised them(as talked about on PIP). now i'm [censored].

but not worth going for unless you've a heeeeeeeeeeeap of time spare, cause theyre way more of a headfuck than normal iso's.

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Fookin ell, point isos sound amazing. It never occured to me to throw. *goes outside*

Point Isolation?? is that when the poi head itself is isolated? I was going to start a discussion about what % isolation everyone does, with 100% being "Point" if I'm understanding you guys. When I first heard of Isolations, I thought it was just the poi head and tried to do that. When I discovered it was the chain, it clicked. I usually do 50% isolated weaves, but sometimes I do 75%. I use long chain poi so it's quite the thing to see. When I was working with Orbit and Skunk on isolations at burningman, it appeared to me that they were doing 25% isolations. ??

Your thoughts.

I personally think 50% isolation is perfect and so thats what I aim for but it all depends on your style and equipment. Longer chains = less isolation because you have to move your arms in a bigger circle to get the same effect. On the other hand, shorter chains means you have to move your arms faster to keep up.

Cody, Skunks isolations are only 25% cuz his chains is so damn long.

And yes, Dom is not only the greatest poi spinner, but the greatest human being of all time. He was ranked third for many years but has recently moved up the polls to #1.

All Hail Dom.

(I only do it cuz it embarasses him so.)

Hmmmm, I don't know if I like using percentages or not. It makes sense, but we're going to have to use negatives as well (go work it out).