Double-Staff throws (Both staffs thrown)

Ok, I'm now getting a little bored with my long double staffs, and think learning some double throws where BOTH staffs go into the air would getme back on track.

So far, i've had no success at all.

Well, not strictly true, I've managed to simultaneously and alternatingly throw both my practice staffs in the air, but as far as catching the second (or the first :eek , no cigar at all.

I can, just, manage a simultaneous underarm/over shoulder wrap with both but even when the same motion is applied with an inch high throw instead of a wrap it all goes to h*ll.

I'm pretty confident with throwing a single and single wraps while doing doubles, so I'm sure I just need some insight ino the the right technique (and of course, lots and lots of practice).

Can anyone help me with some simple double's throws, or anything easy and funky to help me on my way with long doubles...

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Charles (INFERNO)

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http://juggling.co.nz

AFAIK Josh hasn't got HOP access at the moment, so I hope he doesn't mind me sharing his trick on his behalf.

have each staff twirling vertically at each side, stall as one end of each comes behind your shoulders, bring the staves forward and flick the wrists to have both staves do a single high loop and land flat back in the hands.

far out my descriptions are bad. sorry.

basically the staves stay precisely on the vertical plane either side of the body and loop, as opposed to spin.

apologies.

Que? Umm...(damn i wish we had webcams)

Thanks flash, do you mean like an underarm shoulder wrap but higher and traveling up and down nose first (leading edge) like a plane?

(might be time to ressurect my naming staff moves threads,( where's Cantus when you need him...).

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Charles (INFERNO)

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http://juggling.co.nz

Licking my wounds.....

What did you want? I can drag out the staff moves thread again. But they dont take any notice. Kids today etc...

hey guys! we are back online here at home

credit where its due - thats Kate's move - although I can do it a bit more reliably (still not what I would call reliable tho) than her.

staves going backwards on either side ofthe body reverse hand roll to get the reverse grip (uncentred) then throw both simultaneously up for a loop then catch both in a reverse grip. I cant do it very well (yet), but I'm getting there. My doubles stuff is getting more interesting as I sift through all the techniques I learned on the weekend...ahh...

Josh

I'm sure most of the throws you do for single are applicable to doubles. Just require a lot more practice.

I don't do any so I can't comment. It's one of those things I keep meaning to get into.

Josh, that desciption is just like Kates...which poor little me can't undertsand.

I don't know if you are doing rotors or figure8's, I'm guessing a loop is where the staff spins along it's length instead of a central axis.

And what's a reverse catch? ...

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Charles (INFERNO)

newdolbel@hotmail.com
http://juggling.co.nz

Ok. I'm starting to really get into these doubles throws now. Thanks Charles for inspiring me.

None of them are at any point which I can confidently say I wish to share them with you yet.

Give it a few days and I might

Actually some of the inspiration comes from Josh and Kate - thanks kids. I'm much happier now!

Hmmm.
Hmmmmmm. Simultaneous throws! Alternating throws already hurt too much but Simultenous you guys just have too much stamina! (me gingerly touches left ear in memory of pain..) I spose then if yer all goin apeshit, have ya tried experimenting with staff/poi combos? there's a lot of talk aboot them being similar but mixed is good to tell which twirling school you need more practice in, not to mention funky lookin. Weaves and helicopters/corkscrews are my mainstays for that. It's rewarding as! 'cept the last time i went experimenting I woke up next to a smiling German Shepherd in a tutu and an egg whisk in my hand...
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Its nice to be important but it's more important to be nice

I shall have to start off by saying this is the 3rd post of yours where i haven't really got a clue what you're on about.
I can pick out bits then i get lost.

Erm, Katinca does staff and poi in combination.
I keep meaning to try it. There's no time like the present I spose.....
I'll do it tomorrow/today - I have to wake up in few hours, I'll start doing it then (it's 5.50am here)

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C@ntus

There's only one way of life and that's your own.

How about working on these throws together dude? You know what they say - two heads are better than one.
Tempest

Ok ok, so know we have drifted so far off topic we are running out of water and tic-tacs

Can someone give me some more hints on simultaneous throws with double staffs, rather than just telling me how much beter you all are (I knew that beforehand).

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Charles (INFERNO)

newdolbel@hotmail.com
http://juggling.co.nz

BUMP!!!

(looks innocently at the sky )

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Charles (INFERNO)

newdolbel@hotmail.com
http://juggling.co.nz

Sorry Cantus, I forgot to say that my last reply was intended for your good self. Interested?

Right, I guess all the staff God's are out in the world and practicing instead of stuck inside on a rainy miserable summers day like me.

no matter how hard I try I just can't seem to get a simultaneous throw going, unless it is starting with both staffs in one hand.

Geting there with a Between The Leg throw while doing doubles, any other ideas guys?????

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Charles (AKA INFERNO)

newdolbel@hotmail.com
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Hey Charles.

practice twirling, throwing and catching 2 clubs. I think its easier, and it gives you a good way to practice with a chance of actually catching them both

Other than that its all in the throw(s). double throws are much easier if the releases are exactly the same.

Josh

Yeah Tempest I know. Only I've been a bit busy lately as you may have noticed from some of the other threads.....

hi there...

i am also trying double throws. i find that alternating the throws with the 'same' release is where the smoothest "feel" is.

the only way i have ever made progress is by just resigning myself to getting clubbed in the head by the returning-to-earth pole/s.

then occasionally i get a catch and i start learning...

...ouch. and the worst of it is, with Poi the crowd always go nuts, with poles they're like "wtf? i seen that on TV. it must be simple..."

um. when i get a DV cam and firewire etc i'll try to set us up the video to show - i can't explain.

yo,

cheers charlie boy, picked up the doubles (with which Ive been a little dissintrested) and fould a double throw. Same as the swapover really (passing the staffs simultainiously infront of you) with both staffs doing backwards figure eights but instead of going over the staffs go straight up and down. If you get the weak hand running the same as the strong hand then all you got to worry about is getting them far enoungh apart so they dont clash and catching is no problem if they are syncronised.

Needless to say I aint really nailed this one yet, but this thread has got me back on the doubles.

Love

Nix?

I have found that it is impossible to catch both staves at the same time by watching them, something about not being abole to control my eyes independantly. so the only thing to do is practice untill you can do it blindfolded with each hand individualy, then try doing it with both staves simuetaneously. The only time I ever tried it they were on fire, and I ended up not even coming close to catching them, or even throwing them correctly in the first place...good luck, your gona need it...