Butterfly hyperloop

All i want to know is how to do one and wat it should look like please.
Yes i did do a search, yes i got 23 results, no didn't get any of them.
feeling a little bit retarded now.

Could someone please just leave some instructions i would be unbelievably grateful and you will have a lovely *ooh i helped someone today* feeling in their tummy.

Tennis

If i can offer any of my 'tricks' (whatever you want to call them) we can trade?

forgot the obligatory smilies in my last post so feel free to insert these ones wherever you think they are necessary.

Tennis

(NOTE: this is my own version, with arms always held side-by-side)

conceptual description only.

begin with a buzzsaw butterfly.

now make the chains hit eachother (form a nexus)

after the chains cross, turn your body 90 degrees so the butterfly and "nexus" are on the outside.

depending on the number of beats you allowed the nexus to form, it will now either come undone (one beat)...

or you will need to turn your body a further 90 degrees (a total of 180 degrees from start) and bring the nexus inside (buzzsaw possition) to release the nexus (two or three beat).

your arms should remain apart with slight tension on the poi during the nexus, (pull arms apart very gentle, but not so the chains slide against eachother)

[ 13. November 2003, 03:40: Message edited by: DJ Dantana ]

i don't yet understand this trick properly yet and cannot spin it consistantly with aerotechs (my qualifier for poi) so in the true hop tradition i shall dive in and try and explain it to ya.
that was a joke - please now, don't anyone get all uppity

position 1: spin a reverse butterfly in front of you.
position two: turn at your waist 90deg to your left and spin the butterfly between your outstretched arms (buzzsaw butterfly) - you should have right poi spinning inside right arm with the poi spinning towards you on top half of circle and left poi spinning inside left arm, poi spinning away from you on top half of circle.
go from there back to position one.
position three: this is the same as position two but on your right (again just turn at your waist 90deg to your right and spin the butterfly between your arms).

practice going between these three (121312131...) with only one full circle (one beat) in each position.

get this transition feeling really solid, and by solid i mean specifically two things; ensure that your arms stay at a constant height from the ground and that as far as possible the distance between your hands remains the same.
these are the basic movements you will need.

now you need to learn how to tangle.
start in position two (buzzsaw butterfly on your left hand side) and skew the plane of your right poi so that it crosses the plane of the left poi on the top half of their circles (if it makes sense, this equates to rotating the right poi plane anticlockwise around your right hand).
[with this last instruction you may find it easier to skew the left poi plane only instead, or as id o, both poi planes but it makes it easier to understand with just one plane skewed]
as the tangled poi enter the bottom half of their swings, bring the poi back out to position one where they will spin a circle whilst tangled.
as they pass the horizontal on their way up again, move to poisition three and let them untangle.

it should look similar to the move you learnt without the tangle except with a tangle!

that's essentially true but basically it will look the same as the first move except the circle in position one will be a smaller, faster moving, tangled circle.

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good luck.

cheers people i now have something to occupy myself for a good 5 years trying to get that.

i'll have it one day though.....

Many thanks

tennis

and just to sentence you to 5yrs to life in poi prison, that trick can be done in both directions (i.e. to left/right) and with the poi inside the arms going in either direction. once you get the feeling for one way-which is quite easy when you get the knack of it, the other ways come straight away.

thanks colm.

It could be new topic, but since there are not many people differentiating between hyperloops and airwraps I post it here.

The move as described above (Hyperloop Butterfly) involves the tangling between the arms in a buzzsaw position.
But you dont have to tangle it between the arms and there are different levels of Butterfly Airwraps that involve the good old TTN

Level 1: The classical mess up. Cross the planes of a butterfly. Just teach the TTN to a beginner and you know what I mean ( again). The Chains touch, (they dont really tangle) on the bottom and "untouch" (if you are not a beginner) at the top - or vice versa. The chains touch each other 50% of the time. Pointless move imho but poi is poi and it is always good to know.

Level 2: You have to be capable OF DOING a 4 beat TTN in order to do this one. Classical position Right arm on top but left hand Poi on top (Crossed arms so to say). Now when doing this just pull your hands into normal (not crossed) position. The chains tangle but the Point of tangle moves up and down the chain with the movement of the butterfly. The chains are tangled 100% of the time. You can exit the same way into a 4 beat TTN.

Level 3: You have to be capable TO ENTER into a 6 beat TTN in order to do this one. Same as above with the difference that the chains tangle one more time. This way you end up in the same Butterfly Hyperloop which has been described before by Dantana and co - with the difference that you dont have to enter via a buzzsaw. This is important when you use very long Poi or you want to have the tangle close to the handles. Getting out of it using TTN movement . . . . im still working on this one :

Poi change Planes and are limited in length (due to buzzsaw origin) -> Buzzsaw Hyperloop
Poi doesnt change Plane, and can be done with infinitely long Poi -> Buzzsaw Airwrap

(I am sure Rev understands. btw did I mention that you can do this one in 4 different ways? )


All those are in my oppinion best practiced horizontally. Just play with a horizontal butterfly and sooner or later they will tangle. Split time is more difficult !

i learnt something the other day with a butterfly and a tangle in it.

its pretty easy so im not sure what it is. dosnt seem to fit any of the descriptions above....

i do it on my right hand side, i move my right poi into buzzsaw butterfly position, left poi stays outside my arms.

then i attempt to cross the poi over so the left is coming inside and the right outside (towards my front).

as this happens the poi tangle for a bit, and the right poi prevents the left poi from coming inside, and both stay in front of my arms, and come untangled...

hmmm, that discription dsont make much sense, im sorry.

but id like to know what move im doing

hmm, it looks quite cool to.

Sounds like the First one of the versions I described above. It stays on one side, untangles immediately and only tangles for a bit . . .

maybe...

but theres no ttn involved

Hi Tennis,

T&B (Tim) can do them,

Come down to college green on wed around half seven eight. I think we maybe down there on sat (13th) around half eight to meet custom_bug Bristol Fire thread

Laters

Garth

poibox, thanks so much for thoes ideas about butterfly airwraps. been playing with them a bit, some intresting phenomona...

from a forwards wall plane bottom entry airwrap. cross your right hand on top into the 4 bt ttn position, it goes into the continious wrap you described, however, cross the other way the the hyp comes undone compleatly.

I wonder how this will apply if you turn it....

T

and again. after a good nights workshop (and a horrible trip home ) i havnt turned it, but ive put it over my head.

same entry as above, take it over your head but with your arms crossed (I have right on top of left for a beat then pull to the front to unwrap. Its similar to the move described above but its a full on tangle, and the other is a double catch.

Its comming out totally atomised at the moment, but thats cool too.

T

Someone just told me that a butterfly/buzzsaw hyperloop is the same thing as a pinwheel hyperloop. Is that true? I thought that with the buzzsaw hyperloops, the poi continue to move in opposite directions. I'd really like to learn the one where they move in the same direction (i.e. like a pinwheel). I haven't been able to find any instructions on that one. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Joy

im not sure what a pinwheel hyperloop is. if im a geussing person, and i am, id say it was a buzzsaw hyperloop, which is the poi spinning in the same diretion, tangled up in between your arms.


butterfly one is the one you get into from a butterfly and the poi spin towards/away from each other.

i think you want to learn the buzzsaw one, so i reckon youll find instructions on how to do that, by doing a search, or checking out the tangles thread.

hope i have helped

Actually, I thought the buzzsaw hyperloop was where they go in opposite directions . At least that's what happens when I follow the direction on how to do them (which I got from on here- Dantana and Coleman, I believe).

Yes, I want to learn the one where they move in the same direction between your arms. What I'm thinking is that you start with the simple weave hyperloop and let them tangle between your arms, though someone told me that you're not supposed to let them tangle between your arms (and true enough, I can't get them to untangle when they're allowed to tangle between my arms unless there's something I'm missing).

Any help would be very appreciated (i.e. what the heck what I'm trying to do is called so I can at least do a search!).

Joy

I'll try to explain these abit...
Butterfly hyperloop is different to buzzsaw hyperloop.
What your trying to do is buzzsaw hyperloop.
Buzzsaw - spinning between your arms in the same direction.
buzzsaw Butterfly - as above but poi spin in oppposite direction
Butterfly hyperloop - what this thread is about - see colemans good description.

Buzzsaw Hyperloop - same as buzzsaw, but the chains are tangled (some call this an airwrap). As one chain tangles, the other untangles & can go on for as long as the poi have momentum.
To get into this, you can do the hyperloop weave. You tangle on one side, then bring them into the centre to form the buzz hyp. You can only have EVEN beats between your arms. if you have odd beats, they will tangle & you'll get a nice knot. if they are even, they will untangle nicely on the other side.
so.... start hyperloop weave on right side, move it between arms, do 2 beats(or 4/6/8 etc) then move it out again to your left side & they should untangle.
Hope that helps!

Thanks Draghkyre, I guess the terminology was screwing me up. I thought "buzzsaw" was different from what I'm used to hearing referred to as the "pinwheel" or "bicycle". I think maybe I haven't been paying attention to how many beats I'm doing between my arms. I'll give it a try paying attention to that. Wish me luck!

is there like some sort of site where i can go and find out the moves u r talkin bout... like the butterfly hyperloop and the buzzsaw thing. do u knoe of any other sites tat have different moves to the ones on here coz i can do them all and im gettin realy bored of just repeating them all the time.