Btb 5 beat weave

i can do a 5 beat weave in front of the body both forwards and backwards, and i can do a normal weave behind the back, but can anyone do a 5 beat weave behind the back? Is it even possible?

i can't, but i know a man who can.

in fact i know about 4 blokes and 2 girls that can do this.

for some reason, no-one has claimed they can do a no-wrap 7-beat btb yet though...

damn, that means it is physically possible!

i can only do a forwards btb weave (that is starting with the poi swinging backwards in front) - a reverse btb weave seems ridiculously hard - my wrists just don't seem to work that way... presumably if you can do a btb weave forwards and backwards, then you can turn around and always keep them behind your back - that'd be good - can you do that?

also - what the hell is a 7 beat weave?

oh and what is a wrap?

cheers mate

okay what you can do is actually a backwards btb weave.

this is the easier of the btb moves - it just seems to click a little quicker then the others.
you are right that once you get the forwards as well, you can turn round while doing weaves behind your back (and if you practice lots do them standing side-on to your poi - like one circle hands behind you but poi in front on the right to directly behind you to poi in front on the left with your hands behind still - its not easy though!).

a wrap (in this sense of it) is where the poi would wrap around your wrists so you can add extra beats to your weaves. think of doing the five beat weave but not doing the bit where you twist your wrists round - this would mean that the poi would wrap round your hands before you brought them to the other side and they unwrapped.
its kind of a bit of a cheat move as you have far less control and the more beats you add in this fashion, the shorter your strings get.

so the no-wrap seven beat weave is exactly that, doing a weave with seven beats but not letting the poi wrap around you wrists to do it.
a wrapped seven-beat uses the same hands movements as the five but sticks around on each side long enough for two beats of wrapping round your wrists.
the seven-beat no wrap uses an ugly combination of twisting your elbows around each other, then your wrists to get the extra four beats on top of the three-beat pattern.

good luck learning all the btb stuff (i'll tell ya if i ever manage to learn the five btb!)

wicked, thanks for that mate, very helpful

how about btb butterflies - i can't really do it, i can almost do it in the direction where the poi head towards your feet and away from your shoulders (is that forwards or backwards?) but doing it the other way seems impossible again, can you do a btb butterfly forwards and reverse?

Ok for the btb butterfly it is not impossible to do it forwards. The way that most people get first is the reverse way. The easiest way that I get it going forwards is simply start of with a reverse btb butterfly and then just stick out my leg and let both poi wrap (BTB) and boom you got the forwards btb butterfly, hope that helps, its not too hard. But for the BTB 5 beat weave, that shit seems impossible but I always say that until I see someone do it and then I end up getting it in a couple of days. So far I have the reverse, and forward btb weave with 360 turns in both directions. Keep spinnin..

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It's possible. I can do the btb 5-beat going forward (shin-basher) pretty well. I can't reliably do the reverse (titty-twister), although I've got the general wrist motion down.

Once you're comfortable with a 5-beat in front and a 3-beat behind, the step up to doing a 5-beat behind isn't a big conceptual leap, although the details can still be a bear. I tend to hit myself on the right side when attempting the reverse 5-beat btb, because I don't have quite enough reach with my left arm.

5 beat BTB weave forwards

I can do it

it is EXACTLY the same hand movements as the 5 beat forwards in front of you. Just arch and bend your back more to give your arms the most room you can.

It wasn't a huge step for me - it just fell into place. But I can't do the btb 5 beat reverse weave fluantly yet though

Aaaarrrgh no!
Wait a minute:

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i can only do a forwards btb weave (that is starting with the poi swinging backwards in front) - a reverse btb weave seems ridiculously hard

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That's the opposite of what I say.

When poi swing REVERSE at sides, go into btb weave and it's a REVERSE BTB WEAVE.

When poi swing FORWARDS at sides, go into btb weave and it's a FORWARDS BTB WEAVE.

3-beat BTB weave is easiest in REVERSE.
5-beat BTB weave is easiest FORWARDS

does that make any sense? I think i may have been calling thing the wrong names

thanks for that fluffy napalm fairy, i always get mixed up with whether the btb moves are reverse or forward...

yeah, the 3 beat btb forward weave is so difficult compared to the reverse one - i haven't even tried doing 5 beat btb weaves

one day though i'll be going 360 degrees with 7 beat no wrap weaves in front and btb

lol - me too.

I know what you mean, RS, and on an abstract level, I agree, but most people understand the idea of a forward-swinging btb weave as a forward btb weave. Insisting on the opposite just gets confusing.

i'd have to agree with the fairy on this one.
and yes, i do normally agree with fairies, but i have a reason in this case...

if your poi are spinning backwards and you go into a 3-beat weave btb, you hands will make the same motions as they do when you are doing a reverse weave in front of your body.
ie. your right arm will lead onto the left hand side underneath you left arm and vice versa.
so i call this a reverse weave btb.

when doing a forwards weave your leading arm travels across your body *over the top* of the other arm.
these wrist motions are also the same in front and btb. so its a forwards weave in either place.

i'm not saying this is the definite way of classiying weaves but it made sense to me this way.
otherwise the same wrist movements would have different names even though your body is oriented the same way to the plane of the poi (which is what usually necessitates a name change eg. corkscrew and windmill).

I did four repetitions of btb forward 5 beat last night. And I watched Jedi White do a Turning (360) tbt 5 beat last night.

oops, sorry, i didn't mean to spark off an argument about forward / reverse btb weave names! I guess it doesn't really matter as long as you know which one the person's talking about.

By the way what does 'tbt' mean? :

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Originally posted by santanatwo:
I did four repetitions of btb forward 5 beat last night. And I watched Jedi White do a Turning (360) tbt 5 beat last night.

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and drunk too I ment btb

But seriousely, coleman's so stoned he hit the submit button twice

Anybody have experience with bringing a simple forward 3 beat weave behind your head? I've tried it yet nothing has clicked, I think it has something to do with my poor flexibility as I try to keep my hands in the right spot to do a weave behind my head. I get all shacky.

And yeah, the 5 beat btb weave is easier going forward forward as described by coleman and fluffy napalm fairy. I mean I can't actually get it down, but I do notice it is easier to add the extra beats in.

[ 20. November 2002, 09:50: Message edited by: Jello ]

hey i can do the btb weave while swinging the poi in reverse beside me, i cant for the love of me get it the other way, always hiting my shins, i can do the btb butterfly too, i think thats cool.

I really want to learn the btb TTN, if posible, i think it would be, i cant get the hand movements though.

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