Durbs
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Nailed = Learnt it thoroughly, can repeat at will with audiance
Fluked = Pulled it off once/twice with no one looking, not entirely sure how
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mcp
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01/11/07 03:59 AM
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well, misread you say? I know some things about juggling, not a lot of things, but I know this, to do a 6 object shower, you throw all of the objects one at a time out of one hand and catch them in the other hand, after the first hand has thrown it's 5th ball. (I don't know about the distribution of objects between your hands) Whether you have to pass all six back to the first hand for it to count as a flash is beyond me. Generally with a flash of a cascade pattern, certainly with low numbers like 6, you should catch the balls/clubs with the correct hands.
So by most standards of juggling, you didn't attempt a flash of a 6 staff shower, nor did you successfully complete a flash of whatever multiplex siteswap you were attempting.
Which is why I complained about you not knowing the meaning of the words you used, including the connotations of 'nailed'.
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bluecat
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01/11/07 04:09 AM
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shut up meg - just cause you know juggling terminology doesn't mean you can abuse someone who doesn't. so irt wasn't technically a six staff shower. so what? its still nice to do a six-staff multiplex trick. yes, i agree 'nailed' has different meanings for differnet people, and i understand josh's reaction, but you have no cause for complaint just cause you know more words.
well done johnny. now go and nail it properly
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mcp
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01/11/07 04:32 AM
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yeah I know words like manipulate, and if I decide that is a close enough word to juggling, then I can juggle at least 16 staffs, with only two hands. hell, I can even throw them all and catch them again, in a kind of 8 object sync multiplex. So I guess I've flashed 16. And what's more, I'm going to go on the WJF forum and tell them that that. And then I'm going to expect them to be nice to me, and not give me abuse about my blatant lying. And when they do, I'll run away and cry on your shoulder mogcat.
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Durbs
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01/11/07 04:34 AM
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I flashed 2 balls once but got beaten up.
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glenneroo
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01/11/07 04:37 AM
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geez such hostility! I thought such smack-talk was only possible in the pro-ball/club/circus-juggling scenes! You hippies need to really go out and bump, roll and huggle more fuzzies! Is all the love from festie-season already gone? Is this what happens every winter when you have to go indoors to juggle things - perhaps a result of surrounding neighbors getting bitchy (and/or involving authorities) that you're throwing things and making lots of noise? hehe 
anyways..... i would say to clear up all this mix-up, Mister Pasta should post a little vid on YouTube so that everyone knows what he means by "nailed".
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Durbs
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01/11/07 04:38 AM
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Wait...was anyone serious here?
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glenneroo
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01/11/07 04:45 AM
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Written by: Durbs
I flashed 2 balls once but got beaten up.
i hope she was at least cute
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01/11/07 04:37 PM
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isnīt it wonderful how the staff juggling thread has woken up

@ johnny (I didn't say, "hey look at me I need a nice reply so everybody can love me".) what the bleep you wanted than
i still have no clue why you felt so offended you got constructive criticism you were the only one that got personal ... still cant find the sticks up my ass ... and i did search
@ meg please donīt shut up !!!! people might learn something i think you can read pretty well (...misread nothing..)
and thx for keeping the promise 
@ bastl (..right got o bed now again, to breed some money see you soon (you bloody hippy ...))
hurry up we have a pretty busy November, December so it might be better to meet up in January more time too catch up with the crazy juggling patterns that spread around... wuaaha 
@ glenn iīm serious intimidated by all of your chest hair coming to berlin
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bluecat
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01/11/07 11:35 PM
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Written by: bentstix
i still have no clue why you felt so offended you got constructive criticism you were the only one that got personal ...
if you go back and look you might see it's cause you took the piss unnecessarily, and before anything johnny wrote to you (even though his response was not too good either) - fine for me, and all the people who know you, but not so fine for someone who you should be encouraging. And there is absolutely no constructive criticism in the 20 posts above this one, i'm afraid. just lots of 'you idiot, you can't actually do what you said you could'. How is that constructive?
i'm surprisingly angry about this. there are few enough good staff jugglers discussing technical stuff, so i don't see why several people want to be rude about somebody new who just posted that they learnt a new trick, and probably won't bother to post here anymore. 6 staff multiplex flash? no matter how it is done, its f@cking cool, and done once, i'd bet that it can be done again, and anyone who can do it can almost certainly do f@ck loads of other nice stuff. way to go guys. shrinking the community for positive effect! well done.
back to topic; several borrowed club patterns tried yesterday, and occasionally succeeded, enough to make me think theyll be solid if i work on them: 423 (the 4 and 3 are both from a wall plane spun cascade) where the two is: spun back over the shoulder like a nunchuck neck rolled, horizontal body rolled, fromt to back fishtailed
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mcp
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02/11/07 12:18 AM
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Written by: bluecat
no matter how it is done, its f@cking cool, and done once, i'd bet that it can be done again, and anyone who can do it can almost certainly do f@ck loads of other nice stuff. way to go guys. shrinking the community for positive effect! well done.
I don't believe that for a second. Isn't that exactly the irritation of the 'instant juggler' effect?
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bluecat
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02/11/07 12:25 AM
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for a very few, yes. but you shouldn't judge someone before you have found out a bit more. it lacks class and reflects more on the judger than the target.
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Mynci
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02/11/07 01:05 AM
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I caught some burning sticks last night they were on fire (hence the burning bit) and it was dark and there were 4 of them. but there was 2 of me. so wasn't THAT good but hey staff passing with behind the back throws count eh 
I think the instant juggler effect only works with beginners doesn't it? if not.. can I order a few buckets full
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mcp
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02/11/07 01:11 AM
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Written by: bluecat
for a very few, yes. but you shouldn't judge someone before you have found out a bit more. it lacks class and reflects more on the judger than the target.
Yup, but that's my stereotype of HOP I'm afraid. A lot of talk, and not much skill to back it up.
It's nice when they're an exception, but the stereotype is there for good reason.
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bluecat
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02/11/07 01:18 AM
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@ lee
and at meg. feel free to have a stereotype, but give it a moment before it kicks in, would ya?
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mcp
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02/11/07 01:27 AM
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bad spelling / text speak / bad grammar / lack of punctuation - any of those almost makes it guaranteed the stereotype will kick in.
If you can't be bothered to take the time to write correctly, why should I believe they've taken the time to practise?
appearances = important. Even on the internet!
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Mynci
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02/11/07 01:55 AM
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Written by: mcp
appearances = important. Even on the internet!
but then by you and robs avatars meg you would both be a bit dull and I know you're really quite colourful
Oh and in an effort to backslide I have successfully turned the 3 staff cascade with behind the head flourishes into a very tidy double staff thowing pattern. works with 2 hands alternating or 1 hand alone... only 2 catches with 1 hand but thats a qualify isn't it? I mean both staffs end up in the same hand they started form
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bentstix
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02/11/07 01:57 AM
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Written by: bluecat
Written by: bentstix
i still have no clue why you felt so offended you got constructive criticism you were the only one that got personal ...
if you go back and look you might see it's cause you took the piss unnecessarily, and before anything johnny wrote to you (even though his response was not too good either) - fine for me, and all the people who know you, but not so fine for someone who you should be encouraging. And there is absolutely no constructive criticism in the 20 posts above this one, i'm afraid. just lots of 'you idiot, you can't actually do what you said you could'. How is that constructive?
i'm surprisingly angry about this. there are few enough good staff jugglers discussing technical stuff, so i don't see why several people want to be rude about somebody new who just posted that they learnt a new trick, and probably won't bother to post here anymore. 6 staff multiplex flash? no matter how it is done, its f@cking cool, and done once, i'd bet that it can be done again, and anyone who can do it can almost certainly do f@ck loads of other nice stuff. way to go guys. shrinking the community for positive effect! well done.
its weired how its gotten so personal all of a sudden
if i read in order
johnny claims to have nailed a nearly impossible move
well afterwards he explains himself and i guess the biggest problem was the terminology how he described it later was changing quite the pattern i thought he meant the shower but he didnīt
then i wrote something similarly impossible just to show how that sounds
then he got personal ( I don't see what a video of the damn thing is going to do when it clearly isn't appreciated, at least not by benstix who seems to have lost his staffs up his a** or something. It's sad dude this thread has gone to )
through then i was actually still very amused about the whole discussion
to your point Mr Cat I REALLY donīt understand why a simple ironic comment, gonna stop somebody to post here
One of my biggest problem with this community is that we are not critical enough
and lots of people like to crawl each others balls
I have NO clue why i should write well done for things like this
i donīt think it helps anyone( at least not in pushing the skill level), because it would make people think theyīre cool enough... so why put effort in longer practice sessions to really nail down something
i know you want to be pushing the same scene further (in a different way tho) but i think there is still some work to do. by just waking people up
there is a reason why lots of jugglers look down on the spinning scene
criticism we gave him heaps he now knows much more about the terminology used in juggling
and that actually a 6 staff shower requires a lot more effort
..... back in the days i was also playing around with number multipexes (only 5 staffs tho) could hold it for like 2 rounds its actually easy to flash but hard to continue for me
because i cant really throw clean multiplex with out an extra spin and that needs much more time , i have only six and a half meters in my training room  i hope that was constructive enough
i would say we can let the theme rest for now
i mean iīm German and sometimes i cant resist a bit of irony
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bluecat
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02/11/07 02:21 AM
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now THAT was a good, constructive post 

theme (like my 6 staff shower) is dropped.
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mcp
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02/11/07 02:26 AM
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Written by: Mynci
Written by: mcp
appearances = important. Even on the internet!
but then by you and robs avatars meg you would both be a bit dull and I know you're really quite colourful 
ZOMG! I can't resist! By my avatar, I would be a russian hardcase facist about sticks... and rob would be some kid of cute demon cat.
In other words, completely accurate.
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Mynci
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02/11/07 03:03 AM
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true. but still very grey... although I think you would be a dyslexic hardcase facist... in complete opposition with you previous statement about spelling even your n is backwards.
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04/11/07 05:27 PM
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i managed to get a bit 3staff cascade running smothley the other day, as well as an asynchronous half shower.. next, i want a long armed mills mess 
just gotta make my own staffs, instead of borrowing two of daves, and using whatever's laying about 
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tim_marston
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19/11/07 12:40 AM
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Jesus wept,it all kicked off in here!
@josh and jonny,i hope you two get to meet and train together someday.In your own way you are both equally important to this special thing of ours. 
Johnny my own opinion is that the six staff shower will be ALMOST impossible to nail(flash or qualify) and if im honest the only person I know who stands a chance of doing it is Josh.I really hope i'm wrong however and if you do manage to do it,I will watch the video enviosly and repeatedly.However perhaps you should try the five staff shower first?
Josh i think you are to soft and scared of the cold get outside where you ceiling is limitless 
Bastl,bluecat and gleneroo pat yourself on the back for being respectful human beings surrounded by heathens and barbarians!
As for the thread, I know it might not be considered proper juggling by everyone but all im doing at the minute is foot juggling with two staffs,i still cant find room for a three staff pattern including the feet, any ideas?
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19/11/07 02:30 AM
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yo tim good to hear from you
for 3 staff + feet: try a half shower between 2 hands and 1 foot:
right hander: start with 1 staff on right feet (ready to kick up) 1 in each hand,
kick the right feet up, when itīs in the air, throw an outside shower with the right hand underneath (here you can control the speed of the pattern by the hight of this throw) meanwhile this one is in the air drop the staff from the left hand to the right feet repeat...
so what to train: for you tim, just the drop form left hand to right feet, even you might be able to do this, -i just havenīt seen you in ages 
the nice thing about this easy pattern is: you can easily train it very slow, even when its not fluid, but still you can get into this 3 staffs, but 2 hands 1 feet thing. -this is a s far as i got into this, than i realised my problem is the ability to stand just on 1 feet and move the other one arround
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19/11/07 02:34 AM
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or even the standard 3 club juggle with feet.
i'll explain it if you'se all go to the correct thread
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