TheApprovingNinja
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Atar
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07/05/06 06:18 PM
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I'll have to agree with the bicyle inner-tubing. Its great stuff, I have it on a practice staff right now. I'm definiatly adding it to the next staff I plan to make.
edit: Let me clarify a bit. I mean you shove it over your staff before adding the wicks. Don't wrap it around like you would do with tennis grips. I plan on experimenting a bit. Make a test staff and shove some innertubing over it, then tape off one end and fill it up with silicone (the stuff you fix aquariums with, nice and bouncy).
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b1dd5
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27/04/07 10:56 PM
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hmmmmmmm so the inner tubes?!
Si mply rap them round the staff and gaffer tape each end? Does the tube not need to be stuck down or is it just pulls so tight andoverlapped you dont need to!?
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bluecat
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27/04/07 11:52 PM
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er.. i posted this elsewhere, but not here:
the shizzle, i'm afraid, is neoprene.
still grippy and bouncy after 18 months of paraffin abuse. not slippery even when covered in fuel (not that i do that, you understand  )
chopped up dead wetsuit. cheap and cheerful, and fantastic....
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b1dd5
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28/04/07 03:26 AM
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well, have gone out, blagged some innertubes from a bike shop for free and purchased a roll of gaffer tape for a quid! How cheap is that. Feels good, although the test os gonna be over next few months to see if it holds up!
Good work people! Thanks
Also........ neoprene?!? How do u cut it? in strips ///////// or one big sheet [ ]?!
cheers Blu cat!
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bluecat
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28/04/07 03:37 AM
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one big long strip 
its by far the best grip i've used in 6 or seven years of making toys.
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Mynci
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28/04/07 03:57 AM
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I'll have to try the neoprene.
I split an inner tube down it's length wash it and wind like normal grip fastening the ends it's nice but could be better.
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28/04/07 06:29 AM
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I find bicycle innertube gets a bit slippy when wet, although I had better results with the innertube from motorbike tyres (still not perfect though)
Have to find a source of neoprene, by the sounds of it!
Bluecat: when you attached it, did you use glue or tape or both? neoprene sounds like the kind of thing that would melt with the use of superglue...
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akgraphics
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29/04/07 01:23 AM
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Hi everyone, its been cool to see your brainstorming I'm making a glowstaff at the moment, and the polycarbonate tube is crystal-clear and smooth at the moment. I a) want to make it cloudy and b) add grip to the staff.
Is it possible to get translucent grip? My firetoys staff has a silicon grip, and I *think* its translucent (though it does get a bit grubby!) so I'm thinking of wrapping the polycarb tube in silicon, as to add grip, as well as diffuse the light coming from individual LEDs inside the tube. BUT I don't want it to obscure the light too much ... just diffuse ... I guess testing is in order.
A quick search on google hasn't retrieved any suppliers of sheets of silicone ... is the only way to spray it on (sounds a bit messy...and I want to get a perfectly even coating otherwise my sloppy work will be very obvious when light is shining through!)
I find silicon on my firestaff really nice, but it does tend to get ridiculously slippery if paraffin spills on it when dipping ... plus spinning the staff on top of my head, the grip wraps my hair up until its kinda fused to me scalp ... d'oh! Plus silicon (and any other staff grip for that matter that I've tried) REALLY dries my skin out when I'm doing contact  ... impregnated moisturiser the way forward?
Neoprene sounds interesting *waits for old wetsuit to appear on freecycle*
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29/04/07 01:45 AM
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My mate (who doesnt post here) has just made his second prototype glow staff from probably the same kind of polycarbonate tube you've got hold of akgraphics (sounds the same). He covered it in clear silicone and it works a treat. He sanded down the tubing first to get the diffuse glow and then got a piece of tubing slightly bigger (wider) than the polycarbonate, pumped the silicone into the gap between the 2 bits of tubing and slowly pulled the larger one up the staff while pumping more silicone in. This gives you a nice even coating of silicone all the way up the staff.
Its a really nice stick, easily as bright as aerotechs and cost about £30 to make. Its only fault is its a bit light for lots of contact but it still looks great.
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akgraphics
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29/04/07 02:27 AM
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That's such a cunning plan! The polycarbonate tube is actually the centre-shaft from my flowtoys staff (I hope sean doesn't mind!). So your friend sanded the staff first? That seems to suggest the staffs' lights weren't diffused enough with just the silicone on its own... i guess making the outer surface rough would help the silicon stick to the polycarb. How did your friend stop the silicon dripping out the bottom end of the tubes as the outer tube was pulled up? Thanks for the tip sandy!
(My previous idea before reading this thread was to enclose a lot of sharp sand inside the tube, and shake it lots, to get a uniform diffusion on the inside of the tube) ... kinda manual sandblasting!)
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-sandy-
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01/05/07 12:47 AM
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Silicone isnt that runny and if you pull the outer tube up slowly it will stick to the staff quite happily.
Happy building
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Atar
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04/06/07 11:39 PM
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Waaaaay back when I still was into casemodding I found this article on some kind of grip stuff. http://www.metku.net/index.html?path=mods/supergrip/index_eng
I have not been able to find it in a store.... Although a quick google search did turn up this page: http://www.classicint.nl/textned/plastidip.htm
I would love to try it out on my next staff. Sounds good.
For now, its innertubing wrapped around old bedsheets (like a condom, not hockeystick style), then tied off ends with leukoplast. This is a kindof bandaid tape sportspeople use, also called sportstape in Holland. Its white and you can buy it at sporting stores, people use it to tape off blisters or a sprung ankle and the kero doesn't disolve the glue as eaily as electrical tape in my experience.
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mcp
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05/06/07 12:40 AM
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Yeah I've got some plastidip. Hard to use, since it's very very bad for you if you breath it in. (Not only carcinogenic, oh no! also can cause damage to your unborn baby) Also, you would have to find a way to 'dip' the middle of your staff, or spray coat it many many times.
It's not particularly grippy I found... but I never got around to do many layers... I think it would be better to stick a layer of grit on the staff and then spray the rubber over the top. (many times) to add grip.
Many many years ago, and in a galaxy far away, a fire performer called Gora was said to use a rubber compound on the end of his staffs, right next to the wick, to insulate against the heat, so that he wouldn't be burned by the metal there. It burned off eventually, but he just replaced it. I don't know, I haven't tested the veracity of that story with Plasti Dip.
Also, Plasti Dip makes a product called "super grip" or spray on grip or something. I've got some of that too. Same toxicity. And yeah it is grippy. I used it on bare metal, just to test it out. It made it feel like you'd sprayed on glue and it was tack dry. But then you rubbed your hands and there wasn't any residue on them. Weird stuff. I'm not sure if it lasts or whatnot, cos I donated that staff to a friend shortly after. I definately think it's good stuff for use on top of other grips... to make them extra grippy for a short while. Grippy to the point of sticking to you.
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05/06/07 03:36 AM
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had a look on the plasti dip site and the super grip stuff looks pretty awesome, may get some to experiment with and possibly add it to my concentrate staffs as they're not the grippiest things. May also try using it with some non-fire staffs to make them grippy all the way along.
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mcp
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05/06/07 09:38 PM
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Yeah be careful when you experiment. These are very toxic chemicals. You should use them only outdoors, away from people, and with a decent safety mask. When they say it can harm your unborn baby, and it's a carcinogen... it means it's pretty dangerous stuff.
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I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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yoni
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06/06/07 03:09 AM
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Yeah, Will do, have a couple of masks I can use, Though may see about using the fume cupboards at college, they seem rather handy when dealing with carcinogens.
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Mynci
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06/06/07 09:56 AM
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sounds tricky stuff.. although I don't think yoni will lose his baby unless he's been fibbing a lot the laast couple of years
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Skatto
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02/07/07 04:16 AM
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Hey all.
I didn't want to pollute the boards with another New Topic... so I thought I'd post this here.
Bit of a silly question.
I've decided to purchase some hockeystick tape for the grip of my fire staff, as the tennis grip I have at the moment only covers a very small part of the staff - and this apparntly isn't good for contact.
But I don't know what stuff to get. 
http://www.crazykennys.com/acatalog/Products_Stick_Tape_etc_70.html
At first I thought it was the "Stick Tape - Large"
But then I scrolled down and saw the last one; "Grip Tape - White"
You can see a difference in texture if you look closely, and so it left me a little confused as to which I should get!
What tape would you suggest?
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Rellizate
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02/07/07 04:55 AM
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The grip tape is that stuff which is kinda feathurey. Not very sticky, but it good for spinning. I.E good if you don't want to do contact too much.
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Skatto
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02/07/07 10:19 PM
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I do want to do contact...
So I take it I get the "Stick Tape" ?
Thanks for your help.
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mcp
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02/07/07 10:30 PM
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no you don't.
That's ice hockey tape. I always refer to hockey tape to mean hockey tape, for hockey sticks. It's much fatter, more cushiony and more like squash / tennis / badminton racquet grip tape.
I've tried thin fabric like tape out that looks like some of the tapes on that site, but it wasn't great for contact. I was a noob back then thou, so I needed good grip on my staff.
Thou obviously I haven't tried specific ice hockey tape out as grip, so it could be magically good... In my opinion it would be better to get a couple of fat racguet tape grips and try them out for a while. Try out lots of grip's till you find one you like.
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Skatto
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02/07/07 10:35 PM
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Okie dokie,
Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't realise there was a difference between ice-hockey stick tape, and just hockey stick tape.
I'll go around town and hunt down lots of grips to try out as you suggest.
And I'll also keep hunting for this fatter/cushiony hockey tape you speak of. :-\
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mcp
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02/07/07 10:42 PM
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it's like, hockey, on grass with shorter wooden sticks and a spherical ball. Y'know, that kinda hockey.
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Mynci
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03/07/07 12:03 AM
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mr mattbassman has a 1cm wide strip of ice hockey grip on his aerotech and it's still sticky to the touch after about 2 years! I can actually do some nice contact with it as it's only a tiny strip in the middle it doesn't really block light as your hand blocks more
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