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i dont know doubles speak. i only know double speak.
 well thats all that gets talked about doubles in general, it's true.
moves are better shown than explained, but ain't that always the truth?
Low Reverse Triplespin (in left hand)
yes, that one is really really hard. For reference, see footage of me messing it up in a really ugly way on UCOF's missinginacton video. ick...
advice - as you twist your arm up front of you, turn your body to the right.
Try it. No, that was wrong, you have to do it earlier than that!  Really, you have to do it pretty early.
You should end up with your arm screwed up, your hand in the small of your back.
Now you turn your body round to the left and start untwisting your arm as it passes the plane of the body.
If you're finding it too twisty then maybe your gripping too tightly. i grip the staff between thumb and forefinger, and it can waggle about a bit. There's almost a full extra 180 of spin to be gained from just turning the staff in your grip by moving your thumb.
If you're still having problems, don't worry too much. It's not been useful to me in spinning 'prettily', and i learnt it out of geeky compulsion rather than thinking "hey, that would look good!".
About the general doubles stuff:
er, i started a doubles thread, then stopped when i realised i didn't really understand how moves fit together, so i couldn't really explain it. Those pesky mythical "transitions". The patterns are fine on their own, but start trying to explain how they link together and ...
its got some basic terminology on it for ways to spin a stick, and how to describe the relative motions of sticks.
and some rambling. Alway with the rambling!
Anyway, sounds like you've learnt lots very fast. That is good.
Turn lots. Turning is good.
Also good is learning how to cross arms over and back in wheel plane with opposite directions and same directions. Opposite is easier.
For me, all figure eights with doubles have always seemed more good, much easier and more natural with constant low doublespins.
(aka shotguns aka "an extra 180 of spin in a fig 8 under the arm")
With just figure eights it feels more awkward.
Sound like you're finding the same, yes?
Something you should know: High doublespin with one hand, and a 2 beat btb-waistwrap with the other, is a classic doublesy combo. It could be described to feel like this: POW!
also, halfbeat thingies - where one end makes a circle in front of you and the other makes a circle behind. Those are good, especially when mixed with figure eights.
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19/12/04 11:35 AM
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cripes... i didn't know i'd written that much 
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21/12/04 12:29 AM
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Low Reverse Triplespin (in left hand)
yes, that one is really really hard. For reference, see footage of me messing it up in a really ugly way on UCOF's missinginacton video. ick...
Cool thanks for the advice. I notice you can do the other ones with minimal contortion too. Did you get this just from practise of doing a bit of stretching n such? I still find the low forward triple spin in right hand a might stretch.
Your right though. I can see anythng usefull happening with these for now. I can get one into a turn every now and then but its usually becaue i've done to many beats by accident and need a 'get out' move.
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i started a doubles thread, they link together and ...
I shall peruse your doubles thread this week and see what i can pick up. Been workin hard at transitions but am finding direction changes a real pesky pain. Only have one so far. Going for forward fig8s into an opposite direction buzzsaw and the reversing the forward one so it comes back in same time with the opposite stick. Would like to hear some more of these if anyone can help.
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Turn lots. Turning is good.
Also good is learning how to cross arms over and back in wheel plane with opposite directions and same directions. Opposite is easier.
Turns i love very much. Cross overs im finding a bit troubles some. So far i can only get them in opposite directions (but i can do forward/reverse over/under on both sides) and at that im finding is that the arm that goes from a forward fig to a reverse on the opposite side is a bit slow coming back. I think i just need to stretch out muscle though. Like learning a reverse fig8 int he first place. Same time crossovers i cant do but i havent really devoted much time to figuring them out yet.
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For me, all figure eights with doubles have always seemed more good, much easier and more natural with constant low doublespins.
Sound like you're finding the same, yes?
absolutley.
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Something you should know: High doublespin with one hand, and a 2 beat btb-waistwrap with the other, is a classic doublesy combo. It could be described to feel like this: POW!
also, halfbeat thingies - where one end makes a circle in front of you and the other makes a circle behind. Those are good, especially when mixed with figure eights.
waistwraps, like some of the other moves above are sooo much fun. I love all the twisty body stuff and am workin hard to get them smooth and in plane.
any of you guys to any kind of stretches to make this type of spinning easier. I do a few myself but not enough. I was thinkin maybe a strethin thread is in order.
mcp. i found your fishtails vid. still cant do the reverse though. half of it yes but it only goes one direction. coming back the staff just fall back my forrearm towards my body. i must have the hands wrong. no rush though. it only took me six months to figure out what a fish tail was supposed to feel like. never mind actually pulling it off.
lots of double practise was had this weekend. learned some lovely butterfly stuff from faberge. lots of thread the needles and direction changes that i really dont understand,. The combo goes on for at least 30 seconds. sweeeett. explanation is hopeless though. Written by:
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21/12/04 02:28 AM
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(you didn't mention anything about the twins )
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21/12/04 02:45 AM
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was waiting for the photos
heres to the twins though. mine and yours.
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21/12/04 02:54 AM
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if explanations hopeless hows about a video?
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21/12/04 02:56 AM
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well tis faberges move
AND she's got a cam.
i would suggest directing some spanking in her direction.
she does it waaaayyyyyy better than me.
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21/12/04 03:04 AM
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ah see now thats where your wrong because moves dont belong to anyone now do they thats just silly talk 
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so when can i expect my video then
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21/12/04 03:29 AM
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i'd be happy to let you fight her for it....
i reckon she'd have you ben.
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21/12/04 03:31 AM
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i never said it was mine 
i only claim ownership of 2 shiney new 4ft staffs. they are mine because they were made by me and ado has photos to prove it 
yes i do have a camcorder but i have no way of getting any footage onto the internet/pc whatever coz i'm all silly when it comes to all that new-fangled high-tech compoootery malarky
i will need help 
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21/12/04 03:35 AM
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damn hippies
your staffs are 3 foot sweety. as are mine. Four sticks and a pair of flags in one day.
we did good
I wanted to take them to bed last night and sleep with them under my pillow
2 feet of 4 inch wick on each end of two 3 foot sticks. Yummery.
we'll bring a cam to scotland and record everything
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21/12/04 03:35 AM
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what sort of camera do u have? what opperating system is ur computer? most newish ones have a usb port and u can just plug and plug
why do u wait till im on the otherside of the world to tell me she has wonderful doubles moves thats just mean u know.
id fight her for the moves but u know what they say im a lover not a fighter i wouldnt want to damage my soft delicate hands, what would i use to write my poetry with or hold onto the pole which dancing?
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21/12/04 03:38 AM
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give her some lovin then.
your call
in lisa's defence. USB means about same as Flux Capacitor to her.
vids are promised in Jan.
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21/12/04 03:49 AM
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ok well allow me to help out here flux capacitor
a capacitor is alot like a bucket that can be filled with drops of water so as water builds up the level of water in the bucket rises then when it reachs the top it just flows over but the bucket can be emptied when u need to say throw on someone to wake them up
flux u can take to mean flow
so when a flux capacitor is charged up it is able to create a break in the singular time continum and open up a lot of cross roads to different continums
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21/12/04 03:51 AM
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now faberge.
that should be enough info to help you on your way.
somewhere
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21/12/04 03:59 AM
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lads, lads, please. you'll scare me away
i find the whole staff forum scary enough without being threatened with spankings, flux capacitors and michael jackson & paul mc cartney lyrics.....
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what sort of camera do u have?
a silver one. it's got sony digi-8 written on the outside
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what opperating system is ur computer?
i don't remember saying i had a computer.....
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most newish ones have a usb port and u can just plug and plug
i'm sure they do...
ben, i'm sure you've seen the move a thousand times. i'm very new to this game so i can assure you it's nothing fancy, but i can't explain it any better than ado-p so i'll do my best to get something on vid for you
3ft???? no wonder they look tiny
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21/12/04 05:12 AM
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go visit meg in ed shell get some footage for u shes a video making machine, ur digi 8 maybe a bit hard to get all digital and on a computer like. how can u survive without a computer? you poor darling i think the longest ive been without a computer contact is a week and that was only because i was in the blue mountains on a meditation/chanting retreat
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21/12/04 09:47 PM
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i work on a pc. that means i also get paid to post on hop, so you see it's not too bad. also survived years without a tv. a good stereo is about as hi-tech as i go.
decent sound system = happy days
well, i'm pleased to say i bonded with the twins last nite. was a little worried that i didn't take to them straight away when they were born on sunday. they felt odd. and heavier than the practise ones i'd been using, and the length was different too. but we've got that 'mother child' thing going on now at last. i'm very pleased :wiggleysmiley:
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21/12/04 09:50 PM
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excellent
now I can bring up the twins big brothers and we can play. 'Who can hold the most sticks' until our arms fall off.
circus school tonight. happy days.
last week i learned how to cartwheel over the stick and pick it up. i think this week im gonna try it one handed while holding the stick
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21/12/04 10:12 PM
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try putting the staff over your foot then doing the cartwheel to fling it up
helpful hints
1. dont cartfwheel parallel to the stick cartwheel slightly away from the stick this will ensure that it gets kicked up rather than falling off
2. try beginning with approximately 2/3 of the staff in front of you
3. arms above your head to start with in good old duck and cover fashion
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21/12/04 10:21 PM
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Cool ben, thanks for the advice. Love that foot idea. Fling? Where doth the stick get flinged too?
We've been looking at some other variations on this too.
Not to much detail here because variation is endless. Hope it makes sense
Make to do an low reverse double spin but instead of finishing it behind your back point the leading end between your legs and start to cartwheel on the free hand. Staff goes between legs. Looks sweet as.
Hold staff in hand over head heli plane. Make for a one handed cartwheel and bring the stick down in plane and palce it on the back of your hand thats on the ground. Staff comes up on back of hand. Contact styleeeee.
Trying out some tumbles and rolls too. Diving rolls are fun. I cant help feeling like that these just dont fit into a performance though. Cartwheels and Flips yes. But to me rolling around on the ground always seems like... well... rolling around on the ground. 
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21/12/04 10:31 PM
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bambam does a lovely cartwheel move where she places the staff on hte back of her neck while doing the cartwheel (you have to look the opposite direction to which you front is facing (or just look at the ground if you have a pony tail)) tis a most pretty move
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21/12/04 10:55 PM
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that sound nice. I dont really understand what you mean yet though, What holds the staff up if you dont got a pony tail (i have no hair at all...).
Do you pinch it? Use your chin?
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21/12/04 11:12 PM
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if you have no pony tail u have to arch your head back heaps so when your standing up straight ud look up to the sky as much as u can expect u do that during the cartwheel
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21/12/04 11:39 PM
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That sounds do-able...
If I dont post results tomorow its because i have broken one or more parts of my spinal cord
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