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Just an idea i've been trying out, (even though i don't use doubles yet). Figure 8's on side, both forward, 180 degrees out of synch, when one comes to the front, roll it over your neck and catch it with same hand, then when other hand comes to front, repeat. In other words one stick is rolling over your neck while the other is behind your back (you will need to add a few spins behind back to compensate for the longer time it takes in front).
I got it a few times before realising why i don't use two staffs, but managed to incorporate the single hand over the neck into normal routine.
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yeeessss..... if you go pretty slowly(smoother also) you can do it on single spins... also same direction(but much harder, you have to cross arms and know what is going on, with alternates you can kind of forget about it).
for a bit of variety try a head spin insted of a neck roll.
one kind of cheat move(but beautiful) is to just hold one staff out in front of you and do neck rolls with the other... then when you are comfortable with that start to spin your body round in the opposite direction to the moviong staff. remember to keep the other one solid in front of you...and enjoy.
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26/04/02 05:57 AM
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been workin hard on my backspins latly and gotta new variation for ya.
were going shoulderwrap/neckpinch turn180 halfneckwrap/neckpinch normally right? well, thats what I do. anyway, if you put the neckwrap round the front of the neck and instead of neckpinchibng raise your arm over your head letting the staff go round your armpit and onto your back!
It does happen, no, really.
its hard as but you can get it to spin acrossthe shoulders and grab the stick with the hand you let go of it with.
Thanks to minero for showing me the new half.
see ya peeps.
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26/04/02 08:04 AM
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Nix and rob, you two are both getting too sick.
and too good. wow
I give up, i think i'm going to have to come of a tour the summer to meet everyone and catch up on everything on missing.
I feel like i'm soo last year
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keep it up
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26/04/02 09:41 AM
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dodat ![[Cool]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif)
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26/04/02 09:26 PM
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yepp....
also another variation i finally got after two hours of hitting the back of my head(unlit, i did not want to lose my semblance of rastas...)is one contact accross the top off the back, the other being passed hand to hand at the base of your back...
oh and nix....its time for you to give up i'm afraid(check that earlier post.....)hope your new toy is bringing you joy and bruises(few)
see y'all soon(glass come here and play whenever you like the more the merrier...)
enjoy
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27/04/02 01:11 PM
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Its beutifull,
Its the first female stick Ive had, all the others have been male. shes called the singing stick cos of the gently chastising ringing tone she makes on contackt with the skull. just lovely.
also to report, Ive had twins! and they are very pretty too!
Love
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hehe - this is like playtime being watched from between the bars!! damn it! cant wait to hook up with you guys! )
Anyhow -
everyone does the full nelson style neck wrap with a single yes?
in horizontal plane? with a body spin?
You know how the hand to same hand neck wrap is kinda like a half nelson neck wrap? I like doing them when doing same direction horizontal figure 8s with same direction body spins...really nice easy relaxing doubles contact.
Its pretty easy to balance the contacting staff at its midpoint on the back of your neck too when your body spinning, so you can do the hand to same hand wrap more slowly and relaxedly.
Cheers for the ideas!
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30/04/02 06:37 AM
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dats nice josh,
doubles one minero showd me was alternated horisontal neckwraps, with the staffs going round the neck from the back (rather than full nelson style, which is harder). Also is forward btb cross-shoulder backwraps alternating, needs longish doubles i find.
also, going backwards figure eights alternate you can place the stick in the middle of your back and have it roll over the opposite shoulder to drop under the other arm where you catch it btb. alternate thease.
Note to readers, not sayin I can do all this stuff smoothly but minero inspired all this stuff and got me right back into the twins.
Also (and this is mine) I was shown the move pozee was describing going over the elbows with the hands at the neck (one for the 'nameing staff moves'?) but found it awkward myself untill i discovered it made for a very easy pivot 360. over one elbow at the left, turn, over the right elbow, turn onto the back of the neck and keep turning to catch off your left shouder. quite nice and actually easyier to pull off than the normal 360 pivot.
Hope this keeps ya busy, im desperatly trying to get all this stuff nailed for my vid entry.
Have fun!
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30/04/02 09:40 AM
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nice one N. adding the neck to shoulder, feels good doesnt it...
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07/05/02 02:17 AM
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nix do you remember the one where(for others also!) you put the staff on your shoulder(horixontal) and give it a push, it goes round under your arm onto your back.... now try with two, when that staff is in the middle of your back(the other being passed round the back, horizontal also) put the second staff on top and come out doing staff on staff contact.... and smile cos you are doing something silly
Rob
still grovelling nix....ps met my dad today...what is your last name for reference? :-)
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07/05/02 11:41 AM
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dont grovel, its unbefitting of your skills.
really really nice.
got a silly one two but its a variation. staff from underarm tuck rolls across your body up to opposite shoulder, turn 180 in the direction of that shoulder, silly, but you can neckpinch and stuff.
going from elbow catches (horisontal) to back spins now...
still havent got the fishtail. anybody ?
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I've heard that the easiest way to learn it is by putting a reasonably tight rubber band around your wrist and then threading the staff through it - it increases the friction...
I cant do it tho <shrugs>
Best of Luck
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08/05/02 01:00 AM
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okie nix? I'm trying to catch up, but I had a creative half hour:
new and sick
helicopter spinning, clockwise left hand to right hand, 3.5 turns contact only. no hands. along the top of the arms including front half of a neck wrap in the middle.
kindof like wrist wrap, elbow wrap, shoulder wrap, front neck, shoulder, elbow, wrist into hand. with half a turn for each.
tee he
Not solid, but I have landed a few perfect ones
Hell, it took me 1.5 years to get the right hand to left hand roll across the top of the arms with 2.5 turns, clockwise helicopter.(steves move) So I can wait.
Still can.t get better than 1.5 times round on a neck wrap, but I know continuous is possible, anyone got any tips.
lots of gloves
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fishtail? i think an easier way to learn it is to do a full arm fish tail to actually understand the motion. basically you do a shoulder wrap(we will say with the right arm) but instead of letting that leading end of the staff exit on the same side, move your arm to the opposite side of your body so that it comes out in front of you. normally the staff will roll down your arm to your hand at that point.
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Havin been practicin my buns off for da video I nailed the pivot 360 and have this to report.
Hold the staff in the middle, when it goes onto your shoulder the ballance point should be on or even slightly behind the shoulder.
took me ages to find that out. humm.
where can I go from leg wraps, mine just seem to fly smoothly down my leg and offa toe into a bush. (fun) dont seem to have time to kick it into the air.
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08/05/02 10:15 AM
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Only just started staff and am not too impressive yet but this stuff sounds amazing! Just you wait til I fugure out how to spin the blasted thing........
*bounces off to find that broom handle, or take down another curtain rail if all else fails.......*
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behind the back full arm fishtail type thing. basically you set the staff on your arm from BTB and then fish tail it to the front of your body...
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not fishtailing (managed about four...hmmm)but doing continuous turns on the back of the hand...kind of like a fish after a bad stroke.
grovel (tho for pun this time)
variant on vertical back rolls to underarm catches... unfortunately you have to learn what i call waist wraps but arent really... i think i can describe this, but maybe not... anyway. first things first. both hands doing reverse of normal(so alterate spins.) then one hand snakes under the shoulder and round the back before coming in front on the other side to complete a butterfly with one hand completely round your body...
next bit
same again on the other side, then practise doing both sides continuously.
now for the contact.
guess maybe pratising with one is a good plan. but onwards. do a back roll (right arm) and let the staff drop under your left arm back into your right hand btb.
this is doable with doubles believe me. then after a month or two of both of these moves(lies, i have been trying them for longer, smoothity has been a while coming) you will discover that as the staff drops into your right hand you are in the right place to do the butterfly from the other bit. and then again on the other side!!!!!
but no video camera so not only can i not post it i can't enter(sob!)
maybe i will send something late and see if i can get an honourable mention :-)
nix... interesting thing with leg wraps(vertical?) if you are doing doubles you can actually stop the one you have been wrapping on the ground whilst carrying onwith the other...then swap, kind of like with the neckstops...
but for pure ridiculousness and light relief i have been attempting and occasionally getting elbow throws(hor.) into headspins into elbow catches on the other side....requires big padded hair.. teehee
Enjoy....glass i cant wait to see this stuff.....
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09/05/02 11:51 AM
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Lol rob,
Im shure yer bonce is think enought to take it
with that pervious post are you saying add the waistwrap thingy to the over-shoulder-btb-catch thingy and do it alternate?
humm....
I wanna meet glass too!
Love
N
P.s. I totally dont mean what you get about the leg wraps, yes vertical but it ends up at my foot. stall from there?
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Mineiro
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10/05/02 12:03 AM
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yep. bring it down and stop flat on the ground, do sth with the other one and then do like a juggling kick up again or anything that tickles your fancy.
![[Frown]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif) still got finns on the brain is there some remedy?
you can also turn out of the (non)waistwrap thingy into butterflies that move all round your body mmmmmmmm
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10/05/02 12:06 AM
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otherwise try stalling and moving out horizontally...just tried it with flick up btb ove the shoulder. the bruise will be down soon tho i guess.
boa noite
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hehe, Finns, fins or fin? humm.
butterflythingsounds nice, tho im not entirly shure what your onnabout.
Cya
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hmmm...not done it for a few days so even i am not sure anymore. but trying the roll accross the back to under the amr catch today i accidentally caught on the back of the hand and did a fishtail btb. recommend to all...
![[Confused]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif) is how finns leave me at present...
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<shakes head>
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