Durbs
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Written by: Stone
Durbs, what do you mean it's not really worth learning the windmill?
I meant the 4bt windmill, 2bt is a building block for so many moves 
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Stone
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28/09/07 12:10 PM
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Hi spike, how are the waist wraps going?
Hipmills from Michal Kahn’s Poi Spinning book. “The hipmill is step one of the waistwrap. It is similar to the windmill, but by one hip. The right hand leads, and poi spin one circle behind and in front of the right hip (not behind the back)."
I’d suggest learning the front waist wrap first (poi spin a circle behind right hip (not btb), a circle in front of belly button, a circle behind the left hip, then carry back to the right hip and start the movement again.
So, to link the front and back waist wraps instead of doing the carry, just take your left arm over the back and start circles behind the right hip (btb).
Durbs, fair point.
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sp1ke333
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28/09/07 08:41 PM
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Hi Stone..Now i'm actually working on other things and i'm practicing just some hipmills to get into the feeling of them. It seems that I got it with the right hand but my left hand still doesnt want to learn it :P
Anyway, i'm waiting to meet someone who can show me (live) the waistwrap before concentrating on practicing it.
thanks for the hints!
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Stone
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01/10/07 01:27 PM
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Hi spike, good stuff.
I know Italy is a big place, but you might be able to track down PK sometime. Amongst other wicked moves, he has an amazingly good butterfly waist wrap.
Keep on spinning
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E_a_g_l_e
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19/10/07 04:13 AM
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In fact it's a move by mills section (cause the mills are the moves in wall plane with poi moving in same direction). is it right?
Edited by E_a_g_l_e (19/10/07 04:15 AM)
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TinklePants
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03/03/08 08:12 AM
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couldn't do a waist wrap when i was thinner, no point in learning now i'm bigger!
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Geeza
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05/03/08 04:03 AM
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Is it a forward btb weave, then backward btb weave, but done in front of you?
I think i can sort of do it, but not quite
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05/03/08 04:35 AM
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Copied and pasted from my post in a different waist wrap thread...
OK, wallplane weaves and waist wraps are NOT the same thing. They're related, but distinct moves.
It's called a waist wrap because it's an old club-swinging move. Weaves were called cross-follows back then, trivia fans!
So here's the breakdown of the moves.
A wall plane weave is a forwards 3bt weave to reverse 3bt weave and back again, done in the wallplane, with the transition between forwards and backward either in front of you, or behind you. A fountain is where the forward to backward transition is done low, and the backwards to forwards bit is done high.
A waist wrap is very similar, but done using a 2bt weave base, rather than a 3bt weave one. It also involves carries from the end of the pattern back to the start again. Say you're spinning anti-clockwise, and you start the pattern on your left hand side... the order of beats is this:
LH: behind your left hip
RH: behind your left hip
LH: in front of you
RH: In front of you
LH: in front of you
RH: In front of you
LH: behind your right hip (at this point your LH starts to carry the poi over in front of you, and start step 1 again)
RH: behind your right hip (at this point, your RH will carry in front of you, following your left hand, into step 2).
To do this behind the back, take the steps above and swap wherever it say "in front" for "behind" and vice versa.
A full waist wrap is simply a front waist wrap linked to a BTB waist wrap.
It's also worth noting that there are 4 front waist wraps (left to right or right to left, with high or low carries), and 4 BTB ones (same as above). This means there are actually 8 full waist wraps that are possible (I can only do about 3).
Hope that helps!
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TinklePants
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05/03/08 09:58 AM
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so no 3bt - thats where I've been going wrong! aaaaaaah.... still whack my boobs though. got the muscle memory (practiced with clubs funnily enough) now to get the poi planes right....
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