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a list of helpful threads about common moves:
with unhelpful comments from me 
3BEAT WEAVE
Good stuff from loads, nice thread to continue...
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
ditto
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Jello, Glass and Spiralx probably all drink Carling Black Label
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! i love One Wheel Dave, cos he's a boodist, like MCA from the Beastie Boys
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
REVERSE 3BT
Lots of good advice from many people
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Many of good advice from lots people
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
CHASE THE SUN
Not very good, but the best i could find:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
WINDMILL
Fluffy Napalm Fairy is very cool and has slept in my bed. Unfortunately i wasn't in it at the time
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
(unfortunately this thread suffers from broken link syndrome  )
THREAD THE NEEDLE
i am the member of the UCOF fan club. Come, join my annual meeting. i have badges.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
MEXICAN WAVE
i love Flid because he's a vegan, but this DOES NOT mean he's a spanish boss from StreetfighterII
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
FLOWERS
flowers are pretty. so is ICON.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
flowers smell nice. so does ICON. mmmm yummy.http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
BUTTERFLY WEAVE
Coleman and Dantana have unlocked the secret bonus round
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Contrary to popular belief, Glass is almost entirely opaque.
]http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...=f3&Words=]
Coleman thinks he can do poi. Thus, he can.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...m=f3&Words=
5BEAT WEAVE
Old skool Hoppers and an anonymous Josh give sum phat advyse
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
sometimes, PK and Mot like to pretend they're japanese schoolgirls...
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
PK hunts down and kills wildebeest. Not for food - that'd be natural. Pure bloodlust. It's sickening... Someone should do something about him.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Funky thread - Cleaning up 5b weave
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
REVERSE 5BEAT
Many people = Lots of good advice.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Unicyclist and Clubswinger caught in Wrist/Elbow Debating Scandal!!!!!
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Rev says some cool stuff here. He's in a cult now, you know. Every time i try to chat to him about antispin he just starts talking about motherships and cosmic vibration. Quite sad really. (note: this is a lie)
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
Malcolm talks about hitting himself in the face with beaming poi. i do that too. Great minds think alike, eh?
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
BEHIND THE BACK WEAVE (mainly reverse)
oldskool advice is the best advice
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
oldskool advice II - the oldskool strike back
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
oldskool advice III - revenge of the oldskool
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
FORWARDS BEHIND THE BACK WEAVE
Dragon isn't really a dragon. He's just pretending.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/312146/Main/311962
the usual suspects, offering "helpful nuggets"...
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
The UN have declared that 'Fluffy Napalm' is a 'Weapon of Fluffy Destruction', and it's use is therefore a flagrant breach of basic pixie rights.
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
WAISTWRAPS
This thread is pretty definitive, and Glass is a 'little bunny sandwich'
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB3&Number=103260
BEHIND THE BACK 5BEAT WEAVE
Good advice, a debate about names and soft drug references? What more could you asK???
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
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The list was cut down from my original one i posted, removing threads that were less helpful, or just duplicated advice from the other threads.
this post originally went like THIS:
Hi there
i've been thinking it'd be nice if this forum had a list of the best threads about the most commonly asked about moves (The Weave, Windmill, BTB Weave, 5bt weave, all the stuff from the HOP lessons, etc...)
i've been thinking it'd be really nice if people asking about moves were given a helpful place to go to, rather than being curtly told to "Do a Search".
The search function can be quite helpful, but it's really hard to find the most useful and relevant threads, particularly when they involve extremely common subject matter.
i don't reckon this list would stop people asking about the same old moves, but it would give us a set location to direct people to, and a set location for new advice to be offered.
So if people could post links here to really helpful advice threads about common moves then they'd make me a happy monkey
I think that ones that link to other relevant threads are particularly useful:
like Dragon07's great post in this Forwards BTB Weave thread
(i know coleman did some similar helpful linking in a 5beat weave thread recently. i've been searching for it for 15 minutes now and i can't find it  Anyone know where it is?)
So, all suggestions for good move advice threads will be most gratefully accepted. Now i'm off to trawl the most deepy deepest depths of this Forum looking for advice on how to do the weave. Smoke me a kipper...
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Fantastic simian! *hands you a gold star*
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ooh cheers, and happy birthday to you miss flash
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Written by: coleman
pk gives some good advice here:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...ev=1#Post107168
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ooh - and here:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...ev=1#Post107062
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i searched on in 5bt in poi moves only and restricted the search to posts older then a year:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/dose...rev=1&Name,
hope that helps a little
Those are the 5bt ones Cole found.
He did them for me. And they made me learn it (eventually). Thanks Cole!
Edit - Sorry the links won't turn into links by doing the "URL" thing.. they didn't before either.. So I've removed the tags and it seems to be a bit easier.
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And here's a great wraps thread
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And the "Definitive 4 poi thread" which has a link by pk to a great meteor site, something very much related to 4 poi jiggery-pokery..
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Written by: fluffy napalm fairy
there are a few ways i found helpful.
1) go from forwards weave to reverse weave using a 180 degree turn. As you go to turn back into the forwards weave stop after 90 degrees and raise your hands around your head/shoulders and you're there
2)try a giant windmill first to get the feeling of having the poi 180 degrees apart when they're above you
3)if you can do a simple corkscrew (2 beat methinks) gradually stand upright and the poi will be doing a windmill.
On the other hand you could look:
here perhaps....
or maybe here....
this one might help
Or you could do a search - it's been talked about quite a lot. but once you get it you won't be able to understand how you couldn't do it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif" />
Keep trying, it'll come.
Windmills - posted within this thread
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wicked stuff dude
although lets keep it simple. Using 4 poi and meteor and that kinda more obscure stuff i'm not worrying about too much (or the list of threads will be HUUUUUGE)
Its the basics that come up all the time that'd be cool to find the threads for. All the extra advice for stuff in the HoP free lessons basically.
(and since you've got the 5beat now, you should change your bio  )
edit - that was written before you found the windmill stuff. Excellent work! Can you link to the place where you found fluffy's post too?
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One of my own... helpful 3bt pages (the 3 beat is such a sod at first)
General Queries
Stuff about turning the 3bt and Fountains and the like
Great Weave and beat explanation by One Wheel Dave
And something amusing to cheer you up when it pees you off...
Enjoy! Hope that helps a little! 
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Written by: simian
wicked stuff dude
although lets keep it simple.
Can you link to the place where you found fluffy's post too?
Point taken. I'm gonna look for it now although it may be well lost! I'll edit it in if I find it.
Cheers for the heads up on my bio!
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Thread The Needle
Cited here
Written by: Untimely Calculations Often Fail
there have been many a thread concerning this pain in the arse move.
Try clicking the following link to find a whole load of search items I found for you. Some of them have no relevance whatsoever...whcih weirded me out
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/dose...prev=&Name=
It was increadably unhelpful though
If you need anymore......you can search.
Try also:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...rev=#Post266948
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...rev=#Post107560
These are all the basic "batch threads" (can I coin that one?) I can find now.. although it'd be great if people could continue to post this sort of thing as and when they do/find them, and then after a while we could repost in one big, clean post.. without annoying bits like this. I've done a few bits but I've always wanted a big thread like this, pinned nice and high at the top of the forum. Searching is fine but it's such an imprecise art. Nice one Simian for putting it forward at long last!
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many many thanks dude
i don't reckon this thread should be stuck up top, cos there'll be loads of irrelevant stuff in it.
(like the stuff i'm writing right now )
but this'll help loads for putting together a nice clean list to be posted in a new thread (or maybe sent to a friendly mod for insertion into the FAQ?)
i don't just want batch threads though. All advice threads appreciated.
i've just gone through every single thread in Poi Moves and my eyes are really sore.
still, i've found lotsa stuff (probably some duplication of your threads)
i've obviously missed some threads (particularly strangely named ones), and i know there are some in the Help! forum to find too.
And i totally forgot to look for butterfly or TTN threads (dumkopf!)
3BT WEAVE
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
wicked OWD advice: http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
REVERSE 3BT
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
CHASE THE SUN
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
WINDMILL
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
MEXICAN WAVE
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
5BT WEAVE
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB3&Number=107062
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB3&Number=107168
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
REVERSE 5BT
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
REV BTB
looks good: http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
FWD BTB
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
REV BTB 5BT
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
FWD BTB 5BT
Couldn't find anything! And this is one of the only moves in the list which i personally want advice on
Anyhoo, tomorrow i'll do some more searching and stuff, add in the threads you've found, and then start looking at which threads are actually useful and which aren't.
time to go out into my garden for a well earned nicotine fix...
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Geeky  Digression
Why is HoP so rubbish at dealing with long urls?
especially seeing as any thread you go to via the search function is given an URL that's too large to fit in UBB tags.
(hence coleman's non-working 5beat links shown in the 4th post on this thread)
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OMFG this tread is awsome. Thank you Simian.
If i could offer a piece of advice?
U might want to move the link's post to the top post, ie cut from 3bt weave down to frd btb 5bt and paste it in your initial post for easy finding. (That is AFTER you use ur safety net "notepad" cause we all konw what happens when u try to move to much stuff at once round here *crash*)
If your having trouble with 5bt for btb, it shouldnt take u too long, im sure u have for btb 4bt nailed? And rev 5bt? Its rather tricky to get your wrist to wrap all the way around the other, maybe u could try it without your poi, and after you know you have the motion, then work on hip work and turning. Its a little bizare, i was going straight into 7bt for btb wraps  not so nice when they are on fire 
Maybe i could find some waist wrap threads and "unite" them....Spiral X gave me this sick link http://www.semlyen.net/cosmosjugglers/lib/lesson17.pdf
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dude, i already got that link printed out in my bedroom
i've never met Anna Jillings, but i think i love her 
i'm not gonna bother putting those links in the top post. i'm gonna sort them out better then stuff them in a new thread. This is more of a Work In Progress thread asking others to lend a hand.
and yes, notepad is my friend
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This sort of thing, as amazingly helpful as it is,would probably appear better as an independent page than as a thread. There will be too much reading involved, and I'm afraid it will not wind up being as resourceful as we probably would all like for it to be.
I would bet that if we pooled our efforts and compiled an organized link list of most all of the thread links we would like to have listed here, that Malcom would probably post it for us. It seems like it would be helpful for all of us and would help organize the forums a little better. Then we could just use this thread for when people can't find something that is not linked to on the list we compile.
Just suggestions,
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Sounds like a plan, although the page would have to be flagged up VERY heavily on the moves threads page so people don't just post without looking at it. I like the idea of a page for it all though, although the joy of it being on a post is that new threads can be added to it through user editing, which would make life easy for everyone.
Although if we get good enough threads now, there shouldn't be much need for editing in the future, as long as people actually use these resources.. newbs and the like, hopefully they'll notice the helpful threads page and make use of it!
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my plan is to give the finished list to a (tall, blonde) site administrator so he can do with it as he will.
Dom loves it when i give him extra work to do. He really does. i can tell. 
thought i'd share tonights progress with list editing. Getting rid of the unhelpful threads and so forth.
Anyhoo, comments or additions most gladly welcomed
<EDIT - list moved to top of thread>
Thats it for tonight. i'd have done a bit more, but got sidetracked by a long-time-no-see-pixie and a quest into the dark underbelly of HoP's thread numbering system.
i really should go to bed. or see a counsellor about my HoP addiction...
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I think it'd be good if these links were attached to the moves section
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hold yer 'orses
i aint been done finished yet...
y'know, if someone else could find me advice on how to do the butterfly, and reels, then it'd get done quicker...
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"why I should stick my neck out for you is quite beyond my capacity" *Ok so i stole that off Dantana, who stole it off c3po* :P  
Butterfly/TTN weave:
Good thread here http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...rev=#Post104983
Which contains another link here : which wont work
FFS! Why do all PK's links go straight back to the community  And even his secret 4bt ttn videos are down In fact most of these links are broken!
2002 short description found here : http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...rev=#Post103398
OMFG the Jo-5bt bfly weave video here is the linkage... http://jez.i8.com/Jo-5bt-bfl-weave.wmv
In fact all the old video links are down, and half the hop links go back to the home page... this is harder than it looks  
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04/12/04 12:48 PM
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cheers dude, i'll check em out
Next couple of bits of the list:
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"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Edited by simian (04/12/04 02:15 PM)
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NYC
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