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Is this anything like what Sage does at one point in col2? The part where they both come from behind to infront (but on the same side) in split-time and both in the same direction.
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23/10/02 11:26 PM
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RAPH -
You doing waistwraps already? ![[Eek!]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif) ???
BTB ones? ? Shit! But you couldn't turn with a weave last time I saw you!!!!!!!!
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Stone- that description is what I've been doing for a long time (see my original post), but from Glass' description, a waist wrap is something slightly different.
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23/10/02 11:53 PM
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bit that makes a WW is the carry, that description is very ambiguous, I wouldn't really say it describes one well.
I got video footage now, will try to post it in next few days ![[Smile]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif)
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24/10/02 12:23 AM
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that move described by ian deady is surely just forward to reverse cross follow?
he mentions chucking in a windmill which i think is the basic fountain (don't anyone shout at me for that - you have your idea of what a fountain is and i have mine ![[Wink]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif) ) but this is def not a description of the ridiculously fine waistwrap. clue is he say to turn out of the wall plane which would mess up the btb bit of the ww.
...i think ![[LOL]](/ubbthreads/graemlins/ubblol.gif)
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24/10/02 01:07 AM
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![[Idea]](/ubbthreads/graemlins/ubbidea.gif) Just realised I've actually been doing a sort of in time waistwrap for a few months, after seeing something on CoL3.
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24/10/02 01:11 AM
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Oops, didn't mean to upset the apple cart.
I think glass's, 123-carry, really is the whole move. It's certainly a very good description and the move works well.
Maybe it is time to update the other description? Not saying anything about fountains, even if it sounds like a fountain
[ 24 October 2002, 01:21: Message edited by: Stone ]
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24/10/02 01:42 AM
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eh up stone your gonna love this....
Probably Gonna have to count fountains as more of a family of moves nowdays, than just one single.
but Its a long post, and currently I'm working on some much more interesting posts.
not all the stuff I posted about fountains before is confirmed, Its all a bit more complex than that. (not the move, but the why and wherefor.)
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24/10/02 01:53 AM
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glass, now I'm completely lost But I'm (we're) sure looking forward to some interesting posts in the future. Catch ya
Wish I could get that DivX thingy to work.
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24/10/02 05:43 AM
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found me way again. I think the easiest way to look at, is that the waist wrap is real foundation move. And you can link a lot these moves (wirst wraps, weaves, fountains etc.) up together for a myriad of combinations.
I hope this doesen't sound conceited, but keep an eye on the club thread and I'll have a go at the fountain family sometime soon. I really need to sort em out. Cheers
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i think i'm getting really confused now! ![[Roll Eyes]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/rolleyes.gif) i could really do with some clarification please
i'll give one example to explain as an answer for this one i can translate to all the others.
if i am doing a ww starting with forwards 2-beat on my right-hand side with my right hand (doing the fred flintstone thing behind me) going over the top of my left...
1. which hand would go over the top when moving from the front circles to behind? at the moment my left goes over the top and follows my right into the carry on the way back.
2. am i supposed to be doing the fred flintstone thing with my left too hand in this case? it feels *really* awkward this way and doesn't seem to stop me having to turn my body more to the left than i do when the poi are on my right.
i think i'm okay but i can't get the btb stuff and it made me question whether i'm doin anything right.
any help would reap muchos hugz
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Hi coleman, perhaps I'm not the best person to answer, but here's my ideas on the waist wrap (123-carry).
To the right, lead with the right. Do the first circle, a lower back circle on the right hand side with your right hand. The left hand goes under the right for a lower back circle, as right comes to the front (first circles).
Your right hand comes out and starts the circles in front, the left follows (second circles).
The right starts a lower back on the left hand side, the left follows (third circles).
The right comes out followed by the left for the carry. Then start sequence again.
Hope I got that right Good luck
ie. to the right lead with the right hand.
[ 06 November 2002, 15:02: Message edited by: Stone ]
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stone - that's great, thank-you.
just checked this out (in the sick room @ work!) and this is what i do. was thinking about it loads last night without any poi - just laid down, had a smoke and visualised it.
i came to the conclusion that if i was doing the circles correctly (as you described) and my right was over the top on my right, it *must* go under on the left.
like you say the right leads all the way through and this is exactly what i needed to know!
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Is this all something similar to what sage did on COL2 and what Kato did on COL3 ????
like doing a sideways weave (fountain) and taking it behind the back all the way around to where the arm wraps around the waist to bring the poi in front?
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07/11/02 03:12 PM
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That's great coleman ![[Cool]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif) The sick room, ha.
santanatwo, I can’t remember wot's on the col videos and I’m starting to get out on my depth here.
So, these are two-beat club moves, and I’m not saying anything about fount**ns, in this thread. But yeah, when ya doing the circles on the right, as above, just take your left hand around your back and ya be doing btb waist wraps. Two circles in front, on the left? and take em up high and see wot happens
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ok, so I tried to learn it last night. I can do a back waist wrap fountain (do waste wrap on both sides WITHOUT a beat of low windmill) with the poi going clockwise. I can also do a front waist wrap, but those are easy.
This is all totaly new to me. When I saw Sage do it I was flabergasted, then I saw Kato do it, and I was stuned. So I thought it was like imposible, or that you had to be double jointed to do it. Or have extra long arms. But I learned it in an hour, after a little one hand practice. So it must not be THAT hard. (of course I can already do the BTB fountain, so my perspective of hard may be high)
So, Am I suposed to bring them up or something...?
I heard glass say something about a family of 50 moves Well I only know eight. clockwise left front right front left back right back anticlockwise left front right front left back right back
all at the low windmill level. I supose you could include a windmill in the middle in order to add two more, so thats ten. so, what else can you do with it?
I think I am still confused as to what a hyperloop and a carry are.
![[Loco]](/ubbthreads/graemlins/ubbloco.gif) PLEASE HELP!!!
and I can't get the Glass video to work, WP just plays the audio ![[Mad]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif) but I'm not going to give up!!!
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As far as I can tell without seeing one, the carry is where the poi go from behind on one side of the body (in the wall plane, this is) to behind on the other side of the body, without a full rotation in front. Sort of 180 degrees of a circle in front before going behind again. The same hand is leading throughout the move. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will step in and say so.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by fountain - are you talking about a weave in the wall plane? If so, that's similar to what I understand to be a waist wrap, but not quite the same.
I would also like to know where all the others in the family come from. Glass?
I suppose there's clockwise in front and behind with top carry and bottom carry, and anticlockwise in front and behind with top carry and bottom carry (8 there) and then adding extra beats, which should double that, but that's only 16. Where do the others come from?
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09/11/02 07:41 AM
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I was calling it a fountain waist wrap because I do the waist wrap on both sides without a beat of low windmill in-between (while doing the back waist wrap) It does look simmilar to a sidewase weave, but I don't think it is exactly like it... ![[Confused]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif)
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tee hee! methinks someone opened a BIG can of worms here...
*sits back smug in the knowledge that i'm still a novice and won't need to worry about all these variations for a long LONG time*
santanatwo - hyperloops then are just airwraps done about halfway down the poi string. i think
remember i'm sticking with my novice status and am always open to correction from any JIT that can spare the time.
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11/11/02 11:55 PM
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Hyperloops are not essential in waistwraps. They're an added super-stylee for variation.
The CARRY is what makes the waistwrap different from a fountain that just skips about on the wall plane from btb on each side.
If you are doing a non btb waistwrap (weave as opposed to butterfly) anticlockwise starting on the left of your body:
The carry comes when you go back to the beginning to repeat the move.
1) poi go under left arm (in wall plane, so they go behind the shoulder line)
2) poi go from under left arm to front of body
3) poi finish rotation in front and on the upswing go under right arm
4) THE CARRY
As poi complete the rotation under the right arm, on the upswing they come out in front and the downswing is back under the left arm again.
So the poi are 'carried' over to the other side.
This is (as far as I know) the description of a TOP Carry.
You can do top and bottom carries in clockwise and anticlockwise in front of you and btb. Not sure how you get to 50 moves though
ps. I can do lots of waistwraps, but I may have missed the point in your question and described the wrong thing. I'm not the brightest spark.... You have to see them to understand methinks.
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11/11/02 11:56 PM
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do it btb. the beats come naturally and the carry just happens - it seems normal. I learned it btb first.
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I am probably doing it, or can do it, bu ti just am still not getting it ![[Frown]](/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif) . But thank you for trying ![[Love]](/ubbthreads/graemlins/ubblove.gif)
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13/11/02 03:45 AM
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no problem
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Ok, I gotta ask, wot's a carry?
I use to think it was small or large arm circle pass, which is what I have been doing.
I re-read the original description, and now I'm inclined to think it could be a X shape or something. Which would make sense, as there seems to be one there.
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Glass, i do something which i think might be a type of waist wrap, i'll describe and can you tell me if it is?
I do BTB crossflow (dunno if you call it the same thing but its just BTB weave to reverse BTB weave in wall plane (which, by the way, i assume just means poi swinging parallel to your shoulders?)) Anyway then as poi come round behind my back to my left side i go through the weave behind my back on the left and pass it across my body so i do another 3 beats of the weave in front of my body, also on the left (with left hand at left side and right hand reached behind my back and also on left side).
Is this a type of waist wrap? I haven't got it down on my right yet but when i do i'll be able to switch from side to side, like a normal crossflow but with poi weaving both sides of my body (front and back) on either side (right and left).
Will appreciate your insight.
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