Fuel names

hi
does anybody know what white fuel or napatha is called in australia

check this page out http://members.iinet.net.au/~mbuckler/fuel/index.shtml
depends on what you're wanting it for but if it's normal spinning just use kero (kerosene)

shellite
mobilite
shell and mobil are both chain petrol (gas for americans)stations
i know were to get shellite
but were would i get white gas
and i am guessing that i can get mobilite from the local mobil
thanks

you could also try local hardware stores, oh & that info I found on google in 2 mins. Good luck

Fire spinner, Shellite is as close to white gas as you will get in oz. They are much the same anyhow, basically ULPetrol without the additives, and are not recommended for most fiery things. Most people use Kero, Firewater, Shellsol, or D 60.

(edit - D 60 is mostly petroleum naphtha, and a more like petrol than shellsol which is a isoparaffin)

For more info check out these links:


Shell isoparaffins

The Fuel Name FAQ

I use Colemans fuel, can't stand smell of Kero & Citronella, some fire safety guides don't recomend it but it works for me.

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If your in Melbourne there's a place there called Juggle Art. One of my all time favourite shop's. They have a fuel called Fire Water. It's not the cheapest but has low smoke and virtually no odder. It's the only fuel I use now.

I aggree with Blayzen, Firewater is one of the best fuels around for twirling... I've also used shellsol and that works a treat... As for the white gas or naptha, Aussie Disposals sell it as Colemans or Shellite so maybe look there... Though I wouldn't recommend it in it's pure state for twirling... Alot of people recommend mixing it...

Hi Stone,
I may have misread your post, but if you are saying d60 is more like petrol than shellsol, um, sorry, that's not right.
I'm reading an MSDS for it, which states that d60 is one of the group of paraffins marketed by Shell as Shellsols. (Which just means solvents sold by Shell!)

With a flash point of 66 degrees, (about 15 degrees higher than the fuels sold in juggle shops) d60 is so not-explosive it is not even classified as a dangerous material (in therms of transproting). Which of course makes it very different to petrol, 'white gas' or any of the other highly explosive low flash point fuels. Though it is still classified as hazardous in terms of eg sticking it your mouth..

Other varieties of shellsol include d70 and ShellsholT (also called KsolT) which used to be common, and marketed in various juggle/fireshops. It is not sold now in Austrlalia. THat's why a lot of us have gone to d60.

ALL the things we burn (unless yr a seriously vegan hippy burning vegetable oil!) come under the very wide classification "petroleum hydrocarbons".. or 'the very very many things you get when you refine oil'
Hope that helps

Dunno newgabe, I’ll check it out. The can of D60 that I got the info off says 100% petroleum naphtha (not kero). Someone at work also said that the 60 represents the boiling point. Will get back l8r, cheers

What Shell market as Shellsol D60 can be described as a paraffin, a naphtha, a paraffinic naphtha, a hydrocarbon, etcetc... These terms overlap, and they are all correct.

Definition of naphtha:

1. Any of several highly volatile, flammable liquid mixtures of hydrocarbons distilled from petroleum, coal tar, and natural gas and used as fuel, as solvents, and in making various chemicals.

To learn more:
read this

Once upon a time ALL petroleum products used to be called Naphtha.. hence we have a chap asking for 'white gas or naphtha' and someone else saying 'd60 is naptha like petrol..." Well, it is a naphtha.
For our purposes (how fast you want a fuel to catch fire/explode) petrol and d60 are opposite ends of the spectrum. But in terms of all the chemicals in the world, they are quite similar (as opposed to, say, volcanic lava and milk)

According to the MSDS, 66° is the flash point of d60. Boiling point is 187-210 C°.
Autoignition is 225°
Specific gravity is .78

Thanks Pyroptix!
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=429087

From shells site:

The number behind the D-grade indicates the minimum flash point in degrees centigrade

SHELLSOL D60

SHELLSOL D60 is derived from selected petroleum feedstocks which have been highly refined and reacted with hydrogen to convert aromatics to cycloparaffins. This deep hydrogenation results in products of controlled composition with very low aromatic contents, negligible reactive impurities and a low, sweet odour. SHELLSOL D60 consists predominantly of C10-C12 paraffins and naphthenics.

SHELLSOL DSC

In the range of aliphatics, SHELLSOL DSC is a narrow cut hydrocarbon solvent manufactured specifically to combine a flash point >61°C (>142°F) with fast drying characteristics. It has undergone a high degree of general refining that results in a low level of impurities such as sulphur, olefins and aromatics and also leads to a high stability and a low odour. Despite the faster evaporation, with a flash point >61°C, for transport SHELLSOL DSC generally may be classified as combustible rather than as flammable liquid.

SHELLSOL D70

In the range of aliphatics, SHELLSOL D70 is a slower evaporating hydrocarbon solvent. It has undergone a high degree of general refining that results in a low level of impurities such as sulphur, olefins and aromatics and also leads to a high stability

anyone see anything on the MSDS's why D70 or DSC couldn't be used?

D70 is used.
It was what they burned at Common Ground and I am about to go outside and have a spin with it right now!

The MSDS I have includes both d60 and d70. d60 flashpoint is 66° and d70's is something like 72°. Negligible difference. I was at the fuel wholesalers (GSB) just yesterday and talked about all this with them. They only had one drum of d60 to hand so they gave me some d70 as well. Nice helpful folks they are, they are quite tickled to chat with firespinning mummies, makes a change from truckies!

Good spot newgabe. I think me chemist mate must have meant flashpoint with the D numbers. I’ll ask him about napthas and paraffins.

With a flashpoint of around 60 deg. C Shell D 60 is nowhere near as volatile as petrol or Shellite (flash points around minus 40 deg C ). Though, there must be some differences because D 60 seems the choice over Shellsol TK. I can get some D 120, so I’ll look it up and perhaps give it a whirl.

and paraffinic naphthas...

One thing I have found in practice is that the higher flashpoint fuels seem to have been a bit harder on my grass.. dunno if they're a little greasier/harder to evaporate.. and can be a littel harder to light, specially the first light of the night..after that it seems to get easier...

One thing I got asked last night and was unsure about:
IS it ok to use turps? (i.e turpentine paint thinner) Is it actually just paraffin based or are there even more nasty dangerous elements to it?