#637026 - 02/10/05 07:58 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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old hand
Registered: 01/11/03
Loc: Oregon
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I'm not even going to touch this one..
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#637027 - 02/10/05 08:04 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Lurch]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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i don't want to do this one but my friend does and she says it is just as safe nope can't say that she says that is is just as unsafe as normal  Fire Breathing as long as you move back from were you blow the cig up what do you think
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#637028 - 02/10/05 08:19 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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old hand
Registered: 01/11/03
Loc: Oregon
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you... Are you talking about dipping a cig to use it as a wick? or dipping a lit cig?
The first time i read through that I thought you were talking about putting a lit cigarette in your mouth while you had fuel in there..
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#637029 - 02/10/05 08:42 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Lurch]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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ok i explane again ok good
you get your kero (or what ever fuel you use) put it in your mouth half dip a cig in kero get your zippo (or other lighting source) and light the cig (so there is a quite a large flame coming off it due to kero) then you put the non-buring end in your mouth (the end without the tobacco)so you have fuel and a cig in your mouth so it looks like you are smoking a smoke with a huge flame on your cig then blow the cig and the fuel out at the smae time producing a fire plume
and in a performance it can be quite good
you come out with the smoke in your hand were they can see it put it in your mouth then light it (but don't breath in smoking is bad for you) take it out drop it and pretent to cough bend down to get it while you are bending down take a swig of fuel from something small like a shot glass in your pocket (put a bit of tape over the top and keep it upright so it don't leak)stand up tall again put cig back in your mouth and blow fuel and cig at the same time big plume and the plume say something like "bad case of heartburn"
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#637030 - 02/10/05 08:59 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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Written by: FIRE_SPINNER
and in a performance it can be quite good
you come out with the smoke in your hand were they can see it put it in your mouth then light it (but don't breath in smoking is bad for you) take it out drop it and pretent to cough bend down to get it while you are bending down take a swig of fuel from something small like a shot glass in your pocket (put a bit of tape over the top and keep it upright so it don't leak)stand up tall again put cig back in your mouth and blow fuel and cig at the same time big plume and the plume say something like "bad case of heartburn"
You are worried about how taking a drag on a cigarette will effect your health but you want to carry on Fire Breathing with an unsealed fuel source in your pocket? Do you not see the bigger health risks in taking fuel into your mouth, or having a container that could easily spill out in your pocket whilst you have a HUGE naked flame inches away from your face?
Hmmmm... yes kiddies, don't smoke cigarettes they can kill you!
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#637031 - 02/10/05 10:04 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Skulduggery]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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ok skulduggery
putting fuel in your mouth that happens in anyfire breathing
before you come on you put fuel in your mouth as if you were Fire Breathing normally but then spit it into a shot glass and seal it off with some tape so when you lean down pull shot glass out of pocket take tape off you take all fuel in glass (which you measured with your mouth before)so it is the exactly the right amount so no fuel is left in shot glass
and a cig is what 10cm's long so you dip 5mm in fuel and put about a 1cm in your mouth the flame won't be that big
as you wrote
Written by: skulduggery
you are worried about how taking a drag on a cigarette will affect your health
i am guessing by drag you mean smoke this is not the question the question is about blow back possibly not be able to get the cig heigh enough to have enough time to walk back or if having a cig in your mouth will affect the spray pattern
and that second description i gave you is a performance example
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#637032 - 03/10/05 12:26 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Silly Chavs
Registered: 17/04/02
Loc: Possibly Romania
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*tap dances his way accross the stage*
tip tap tippety tap tap tip-tip tippity tap tippity tap tap
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#637033 - 03/10/05 12:49 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: UnscrupulousChavOffersFoot]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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what is the point in tap dancing
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#637034 - 03/10/05 12:54 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Silly Chavs
Registered: 17/04/02
Loc: Possibly Romania
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Aerobic exercise, general fitness and an excrutiating feeling of happiness and wellbeing.
It sounds cool too.
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#637035 - 03/10/05 01:33 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: UnscrupulousChavOffersFoot]
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Internet Hate Machine
Registered: 26/05/04
Loc: They seek him here, they seek ...
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This could be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. On a happier note, tapdanceing is indeed da shiznits.
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#637036 - 03/10/05 01:37 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Fine_Rabid_Dog]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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stupid stupid it looks cool
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#637038 - 03/10/05 01:40 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Fine_Rabid_Dog]
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Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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#637039 - 03/10/05 01:44 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 09/06/03
Loc: "In your ear"
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its might look cool, but i when you add fule and fire, you get some fumes, these will be atken into your lungs like it or not. and kero, or any fuel will eat your lungs alive meaning you will drown or maybe get chemical pheumonia im really sorry but this is the single most dumbest thing i have ever seen online, ever, and i dont just mean on hop! Fire Breathing is one of the most dangerous things you can do, and you want to add the ingnition source clse to yoru face? this is not a good idea, there are soooo many safty reasons not to, yes you can come up with an idea like this, but its all stupid. what happens when you need to take your deep breath for your exhale, you have kero burning under your nose, and again that will be fuems in your lungs, you tidal flow inyour lungs will never remove these fume,s they will sit there and do you a lot of damage!
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#637040 - 03/10/05 01:55 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: mech]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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ok you have a cig light in one hand and a shot glass of fuel as quick as you can take swig of making sure not to spill any then put cig in mouth leave for a couple of seconds and do not breath then blow the cig out as far as you can will still keeping the right spray pattern
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#637041 - 03/10/05 02:00 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 09/06/03
Loc: "In your ear"
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still stupid
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#637042 - 03/10/05 02:00 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: mech]
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Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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#637043 - 03/10/05 02:03 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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Jesus, when will you get the message. This is a dumb idea. If you want to get chemical Pneumonia please do go and try it. If you want to burn your face off, again, please do go try it. Just how cool do you think you will look with a melted face laying in your coffin?
I'm kind of guessing, not so cool. I doubt its a look that will get the girls!
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#637044 - 03/10/05 02:44 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Skulduggery]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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it is not me doing the trick it is one of my friends ok chemical pneumonia were did that come in you just as much chance of getting it as you do normal Fire Breathing (i don't think you fully understand the trick)
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#637045 - 03/10/05 02:55 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Skulduggery]
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Registered: 25/07/05
Loc: Glasgow
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FIRE_SPINNER; The ignition source is so close to your mouth that even the slightest mistake with you aspiration techinque you -will- get a track back and it can and probably mean a long stay in hospital and possible death. Add to that the risks of chemical penumonia and facial burns and it seems to me like the risks of it are too high. Your performance with any fire arts should be concerned with being safe and living to do your next gig more than trying to be cool and possibly hurting yourself. It doesn't matter whether it looks cool or not, which 'plain' Fire Breathing does anyway, its whether or not its safe for you or anyone else who does it.
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#637046 - 03/10/05 03:06 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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What I understand is that everytime someone has questioned you about this you have slightly changed the way you say this stunt is done. What you don't get is I think Fire Breathing is not something anyone should do. Call me a party pooper, but I just don't think its worth the risks involved. What if, when you swig your fuel into your mouth, you spill a little on your chin and then you put the cigarette to your lips...... wooooooooof! Fire on your face and a mouth full of fuel to get rid of. What do you do then? This can happen in normal Fire Breathing but.... well the method you described seems to be rushed and would not give you time to wipe your chin. You can do lots of spetacular things with fire in a much safer way. Don't get me wrong, ALL fire arts have risk and are not totally safe, but we take great care to minimise the risks. I just think Fire Breathing is too dangerous and your friends method is even more risky than normal Fire Breathing.
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#637047 - 03/10/05 03:26 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Skulduggery]
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addict
Registered: 25/07/05
Loc: Glasgow
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Skulduggery; I agree with you. I'm beginning to think that Fire Breathing is far too risky to perform any more. As much as I love adding it into a poi routine (locking up a hyperloop and breathing through the poi heads) I'm actually beginning to think that the risks are too great. Its because I burned my bottom lip on what I thought was a very good fire breath. I will probably still trail and such like but I'm actively reducing the number of breaths that I do in a normal routine. Even the best Fire Breathers in the world will agree with me when I say its too unprecitable and an accident waiting to happen. Even after spending weeks going back and working on me aspiration technique and cleaning up the ignition process without fuel and then 'dry running' before I lit up I stil got hurt. I'm not saying that because of my own, admittedly minor, injury that everyone should stop but it has made me think about whether it is really necessary to perform it as an art. All we, as performers, can do is try to minimise the risks to ourselves and if that means cutting parts of a routine out and replacing them with other techniques then I'm all for it. The technique described above is stupidly risky and, in in a culture where safety should be paramount, it seems a good way to land the performer in hospital at best.
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#637048 - 03/10/05 05:02 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Sporky]
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
Registered: 05/08/04
Loc: Oregon
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the way i see it, this site is very anti - Fire Breathing, yet it's moderated by people who do it... see the contradiction? instead of protesting every single time someone asks about it, you might want to try simply educating them in the dangers... but first read the thread to see if anyone has done so already. if so, then SHUT UP. all you will do is restate the same thing said, and you'll look like a greek chorus... look that one up. i could explain, but you'll still ask. i breathe fire, and every time i post something about it i get MOBBED by the "don't do it!" crowd... now on to the subject at hand... the risks not normally encountered in regular Fire Breathing with regard to this trick. if your lips are dry, the cigarette may STICK TO YOUR LIP, and not leave when you aspirate the fuel, leaving your face a morbid version of cherries jubilee... then there's the projectile factor. you advocate launching a small torch toward the audience? not good. add to this the fact that the cigarette may not go far enough away from you... landing on you, perhaps that wet spot the fuel in your pocket is BOUND to leave. normally i defend firebreathers to the death (to those risk-touters out there, the pun is not intended) but i am very much against this trick.
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#637049 - 03/10/05 07:41 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: Frederick the Reckless]
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veteran
Registered: 15/05/03
Loc: London/ Surrey
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The general idea with Fire Breathing, is to aspirate to send the fuel to the ignition source. Bringing the ignition source to the fuel (when the fuel container is your face) is a bad idea. You'd never rest a lit cigarette on a fuel drum, so why take the risk with your face, which should be far more valuable to you?
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#637052 - 03/10/05 10:08 AM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: TheBovrilMonkey]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 28/08/02
Loc: sheffield
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Written by: Frederick the Reckless
the way i see it, this site is very anti - Fire Breathing, yet it's moderated by people who do it... see the contradiction?
Even if HOP was anti-Fire Breathing and moderated by people who do it, there wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction.
Just becasue an experienced professional fire breathes doesn't mean they're going to approve of, or recommend it to complete newbies.
One can fire-breathe for a living, yet object to Fire Breathing being promoted as safe, object to 9 year olds Fire Breathing, object to drunks fire-breathing etc, etc (all of which have been defended here by some Fire Breathers in the past, all of which I have personally witnessed at events).
Written by: Frederick the Reckless
instead of protesting every single time someone asks about it, you might want to try simply educating them in the dangers... but first read the thread to see if anyone has done so already.
From what I've seen here, that's what happens- a fire-breathing question pops up, an observant regular spots it and immediately sticks in a reply that makes it clear, to any newbies reading the thread, that there are safety issues.
The thread then continues; unless, as often happens, someone else kicks off about the aforementioned cautionary post, or tries to argue that fire-breathing is in fact safe.
And that's it, we simply ensure that, as far as possible, all threads on Fire Breathing have a cautionary note.
That doesn't make HOP anti-Fire Breathing, it makes it pro-a responsible and realistic attitude toward fire-breathing.
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#637053 - 03/10/05 06:01 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: polythene]
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member
Registered: 14/11/04
Loc: New South Wales
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ok i found
1, Take a cigarette and lightly dip it halfway into paraffin,
2, Light the cigarette, take a deep breath, then take some paraffin in your mouth.
3, Kneel down on one knee, tilting the head back pointing the cigarette directly skywards.
4, Exhale as in normal fire-breathing also blowing the cigarette upwards.
5, Wipe face and mouth.
this on a website is explains it simply
and i have read pele's article "a season in hell" and all the risks involved in Fire Breathing and it is NOT safe
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#637054 - 03/10/05 08:03 PM
Re: firebreathing trick
[Re: FIRE_SPINNER]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 22/12/04
Loc: Hampshire College, MA, USA
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In this last post you didn't mention if the cigarette is in your mouth at this point. If it is, this is a really bad idea for all the reasons we've already mentioned. Please don't try it for your own sake and for the safety of any others around you.
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