Exhale fire but not fire breathing

hello guys

i m looking info of how i can exhale fire but not doing Fire Breathing

check the intro of this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1yrDHRpfA4

does anyone have idea about it?

There's a lot of reversed footage in that video which does make some things hard to tell, to be honest.

well yes,but i have see again performers relighting torches exhaling fire!

maybe is the fuel hmm

I would say that the girl in that video is taking a small amount of fuel from the lit torch as she places it in her mouth. This honestly looks just as dangerous as Fire Breathing, as the fuel is actually lit inside the mouth.

I can't see the video on my work computer, but if its a girl eating fire its an advanced fire eating trick. Its done by taking a torch, not dripping with fuel, but its got enough coleman's on it to be buring the fuel only. You take the torch into your mouth and cut off most of the oxygen to the flame, so the vapors are still coming off of the torch, but not combusting. As you draw the torch out of your mouth it acts as a pilot light as you very gently exhale and tighten your lips and ignites the gathered vapors.

Long explaination. There are multiple ways to manifest this trick, a long thin flame, a small flame that lasts for a while or you can huff it all out at once for a cool tiny burst of flame. Fire eating is a really satisfying skill to learn. It teaches you to be intimate with the fire, to trust the fire. Fire eating is very dangerous, but so much more rewarding than Fire Breathing. It has a hard learning curve. You will burn your lips. Invest in good chapstick. But making your own torches and learning is one of the best things I've ever done.

jaykitty> on this video the girl, fire eating and then exhaling a small amount of fire and relighting the torch!

i have never done Fire Breathing because i consider it dangerous for my health..i m doing various performances that are also bad (various fire shows-piercing my self-grind show) and i dont want add more

the point is how without fire relight the torch...at Fire Breathing you got a flaming torch!

JCat is right. It's called a dragon's Breath. You close your lips around the torch in yer mouth for a second to fill yer mouth with vapor then ever so slightly open yer mouth, remove the torch and give a gentle puff out.

dont try it without someone that knows whzt they are doing

i know to fire eat
i have done it many times!!!! i cant understand how she relight the torch without beeing fire..she kept the fire in her mouth?

what fuel do you suggest? i m using zipoil for fire eating

you got it... she kept fire in her mouth - other it wouldn't be possible.

you don't exactly close your lips (around a burning wick and a probably hot iron rod, unless you're into the resulting feelings) but you *almost* close them...

- too much exhale and the flame extinguishes (especially with "old" breath -> ratio oxygen vs CO²)...
- as Poje correctly puts it, the fuel or vapor "stored" in the mouthbox (*) will light and kept lit for a sec - which is when the transfer can happen. Sometimes the flame will not be visible, because it simmers little deeper in the mouthbox.

Hopefully and most likely she's using "clean" fuel which has a low flashpoint and lots of vapor...

(*) PLEASE be warned, that fuels are toxic and that nature didn't intend the two merging. In other words: you *might*/ most likely *will* damage that tissue (-> periodontosis).

Colemans or any other highly cleaned paraffin used for the usual Fire Breathing...

There is quite a lot of use full information on Fire Breathing and eating at mephistos site;

http://www.fyretr.com/

Though I believe mephisto has had some bad side effects from a life time of fire eating, something like his teeth started to crack and fall apart, though it's worth remembering this was after several decades i think...



This pic shows pretty well how I hold my lips;


Here is a short vid of me passing the flame and then doing a small human candle and blowing the candle at the end.



Depending on how small you keep the opening of your mouth is how long the candle effect will last. Typically for me the limiting factor is my pain tolerence, when the pain gets to much i puff it out. or somtimes i will puff early for bigger/better effect.



Another name for the fire from the mouth trick is Human Candle, or a broader term is Vapour Catching.

Its possible with a light fuel like Pegasol, but far easier with a very light one like Calite/Colemans.

The technique is not terribly difficult, but it is i believe quite exacting, it's something i have trouble teaching people, it took me about 2 or 3 months to work it out by myself, but then i am a very slow learner so don't let that discourage you, conveyor belt with staff took me 6 months...

Personally i do not like to Fire Breath, and i discourage people from learning it, but fire eating i find very satisfying, with patience, pain tolerance and perseverance, some very cool tricks are possible.

I would like to emphasize that though we're woven from the same universal fabric, some of us resemble rugs and others handkerchiefs ... or to put it like this: we're same/same but different...

What I'm going at is that one might never experience cracking teeth, another after a few decades and again others within much shorter time.

When joining soft tissue and fuel, it can be of use to take a long deep stare into the mirror first (long and deep) and answer three questions: though it might be a dead cool effect people are dying for to watch is I am being made up strong enough to stand the side effects? and would I be adhering to the necessary safety involved? and finally: is it fricking worth the 5 minutes of fame?

proceed...

After a long session of eating fire about half an hour later I will burp and all I taste is Coleman's.
Vanity, I think there is a whole other side to fire eating that you are missing. Putting out a torch in your mouth is one thing, but when you start to manipulate it, that's another. When doing vapor tricks, you can hold the flame deep in your mouth, it looks like there is nothing there, but you give a puff and a cute little flame comes back out to relight your torch.
Using your lips rather than your teeth will help prevent cracked teeth, but it is still a risk. Also, you're getting hydrocarbon vapor directly in contact with your mucous membranes and a bit into your lungs. Like everything with fire, its a commitment, you understand somewhere down the line you may have health issues that will kick your ass. The picture that Fox posted is how its done, that's all there is to it.

Forgot about that one, whilst the immediate side effects are not as bad as Fire Breathing (e.g. Numb mouth, chin, chest depending on your skill level), they can still be very unpleasant. When performing, I charge 30% extra to include fire eating.

Blisters on lips are pretty common, occasionally the tongue. A couple of posts up is well worth reading and reflecting on, for me with Fire Breathing the answer was no, it's just not worth it, but for eating, personally i think it is.

sorry for the delay answer i was offline the weekend!

Firetom>

I see about how much i have to close my lips
I full closing my lips when i use my handmade torches,
otherwise i blow and dont close completly my mouth

about fuel,how i know if a fuel is clean? i have found few at the super market lamp oil type&
zip oil(its for lighters)..i m using zipoil for fire eating..

Charlie fox> great video!!! 5 star!
when you puff out,you spit the oil from the 1st torch?
do you put in your mouth the 2nd torch?

i dont want to learn Fire Breathing, i consider it dangerous too..but i love this trick

Jaykitty>Well i dident say the opposite,i consider this, different than fire eating
and that's why i started the post,to see and the other side!

About the risk - I think fire playing is a dangerous art,the point is to learn as more as you can
and get the necessary precautions! about this trick i m not going to do it every day..i m ussually doing
fire show 1-4 times the month!

Thanks

There is no spitting, ZERO liquid fuel enters my mouth, i simply capture the unburnt vapours from the wand (it's a 5 min science lesson to explain how/why the vapours end up in the mouth, so to save time lets just say they fall off )

The biggest most important critical thing for fire eating and vapour tricks is
DO NOT EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES INHALE WHILE THE FLAME/VAPOR IS IN OR NEAR YOUR MOUTH

Why this can happen by accident is shock or surprise at heat/burning sensation results in a gasp, so if your lungs are empty guess what happens, big inhale, I've done it twice a long time ago while i was learning, it was very uncomfortable but i walked away from it, i understand though that some extreme damage can occur to your esophagus and lungs, possibly even death.

To avoid it is simple, before the wand gets anywhere near your mouth inhale totally, this way, if something goes wrong, the worst that can happen (other than burning your face) is you breath out rapidly and extinguish or push the flame away.

Regarding fuels anything with a flash point over 25degC will probably not work very well. This limits your to Toluene Based Fuels like Calite, or some of the Naptha based fuels like Colemans or White Gas (Not White Spirits).

Whatever fuel you decide to use find the MSDS for it so you can fully understand A). how it can hurt/damage/kill you and B). what the flash point is as if it's too low the volatility make it too dangerous to fire eat with.

http://www.nafaa.org/msds.html
Personally i consider Zippo Fluid (and all Naphtha/Light Aliphatic) too Risky to use for any type of fire eating as their flash point is extremely low, eg. for Zippo around 2 - 4degC or 35degF, Colemans is lower again. This however is a personal preference, i understand the latter is very commonly used in the northern hemisphere.

I use a Fuel Called Calite which is based on Toluene, it has a flash point around 16 - 18deg C.

Here is the MSDS for Colemans;
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/msds/lantern.pdf

and Zippo
http://www.nafaa.org/ZIPPO_MSDS.pdf

Its a pretty cool video,of course i rate it

so you get the "unburnt vapours" from the 1st torch and with the 2nd torch you fire up your mouth?
how you catch the fire?are you putting the half of the 2nd torch in your mouth?

thank you for the info !!

Not Quite, the first torch i simply extinguish so i have something to light with the capture.

I exhale after the extinguish to empty my mouth, then inhale to prepare for the capture, the brief dip into my mouth is all it takes on a still night to get a capture that lasts about 3 or 4 secs, heaps of time to light another torch.

Whilst it looks quick on the video, trust me, when you start it will feel like a very long time, the initial challenge is building the confidence to keep it in your mouth while still burning.

As you increase your skill level (i.e. pain tolerance) you will hold the flame in for longer to create either longer, or bigger captures.

Whilst it is possible to capture some vapor off an extinguish (as you thought i had) this i believe is slightly less efficient and not quite as reliable or as easy, but other probably prefer this, each to their own.

As mentioned earlier it is possible to hold the capture inside your mouth where it's not visible to spectators and then puff it out on an unlit torch to (re)light it. Though this is not a skill i have practiced as yet.

so you could this with one torch without fire and a 2nd with fire!

if i understand: you inhale,then do the brief dip,you wait 3-4sec and then exhale on the torch?

about the pain i remember the first time i did fire touching,now i dont feel anything!

its funny you know... some times one is passing the tree in front of his house a million times, without ever noticing. Then only - a million and one times later - one realizes that it's a pine tree.

I'm slow guys - incredibly slow on this one, please forgive me

I know that Fire Breathing (to some extent) is fascinating to watch... Only I've been wondering all along, why people enjoy doing it?!? I mean to spin with kerosene or any petrol - in general terms - leaves me smelling like a gas station (and I really am repelled by that smell after all these years)...

I've always wondered why the majority of firebreathers cling to their "profession" so strongly...

I only realized now that whatever the performer is doing - no matter how cautious - s/he will inevitably inhale the remnants of the petrol into her/his lungs...

Read this article on petrol sniffing

Another from the .au ministry of health

Hmm,

To sustain the candle effect (flame from the mouth) you hold your breath in. The only time i exhale is when i am finished, if no flame this will expel any unburnt vapor, if flame the flame will flash brighter as the unburnt vapor is pushed passed it, thats the effect you see at the end of the capture as the flame leaves my mouth in the vid.

I also do touching/trailing/transfers and do not feel any pain, though am ultimately burned by the chemical anyway (something you cant really develop a tolerance for.), But having the flame in your mouth is different, skin in general has around 2-4 secs of exposure to flame before pain is felt and around 3-5 secs for a mortal before damage to tissue commences. So when you are doing transfers for one thing it's burning up and away from you so the hottest part of the flame is above the skin. When you place it in your mouth however the flame is lower than your lips meaning your lips are around the hottest part of it while it is in your mouth.

hopefully this makes some sense, been up way too long to be writing posts just now.

Really i think you should find someone in person to learn from, as hypocritical as that is coming from me who is self taught, the road to teaching oneself is fraught with (more)danger and (a lot) more pain than is perhaps necessary.


As for one torch with fire one without, yes this is possible, not just with torches, i have done fire shows were other performers have lit their poi/staff/fan from my vapor capture, though this does require all or part of the receiving wick to be dipped in a light fuel as used for the capture...
A friend of mine and I have been toying with the idea of lighting his fire breath from my vapor capture, but it would be absurdly dangerous and risky, to me mostly, so still not sure, but we'd have multiple cameras ready if/when we go through with it to catch the awesome/damage in HD from multi angles