#491363 - 21/02/05 12:03 AM
Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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Ok I'm NOT putting up this thread to name, names or shame anyone but I feel something needs to be said. Please can you take care what advice or information you give people when placing posts on this board. Sometimes people read things on the board and because its in type they take it to be utterly true and correct. I noticed yesterday that someone had advised a person on burns, saying that you should put second and third degree burns under water for 10 mins. Anyone with medical knowledge would tell you NEVER to put burns where the skin is broken into water because of the potential for infection of the wound. I know this information is available on this site in the Fire Safety pages, but this particular poster had obviously not read these pages. Please just be careful with what you tell others when it comes to safety and technical information. If you get it wrong and they follow your advice and get hurt how will you feel? Pretty crappy I'm guessing.
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#491364 - 21/02/05 12:27 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Skulduggery]
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.:*distracted by shiny things*:.
Registered: 13/10/03
Loc: brizvegas
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good thinking skully!! 
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#491365 - 21/02/05 05:02 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: gita]
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HOP Mad Doctor
Registered: 28/05/01
Loc: San Francisco, CA, USA
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I even wrote an article on first aid for burns.
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#491366 - 21/02/05 07:10 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Doc Lightning]
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member
Registered: 10/02/05
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you can buy distilled sterile water in pharmacys, I saw it the other day.
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#491367 - 21/02/05 11:47 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: snork]
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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And your point is snork?
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#491368 - 21/02/05 04:50 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Skulduggery]
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Scientist!
Registered: 19/01/04
Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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I think he meant to say that the water wouldn't infect the burn.
I don't think he realised that once the skin is broken it starts to get infected no matter what you do -.-
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#491369 - 21/02/05 04:59 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: ImmortalAngel]
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member
Registered: 10/02/05
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afaik they use it or something like it in hospitals to clean burns. Perhaps applying it on the way to the hospital would be useful.
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#491370 - 21/02/05 06:42 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: snork]
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Scientist!
Registered: 19/01/04
Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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They apply it in hospitals to clean it out, and they only do it right before the give it the proper medical attention. Unless you've got a team of paramedics and field surgeons, don't pour it on a 3rd degree burn. The doctors will leave the spinning to you, as long as you leave the medical attention to them.
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#491371 - 21/02/05 06:59 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: ImmortalAngel]
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HOP Mad Doctor
Registered: 28/05/01
Loc: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Snork, a hospital is a controlled environment where they can irrigate the wound after sterilizing the surrounding area. A little different than pouring sterile water on it.
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#491374 - 12/08/05 08:42 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: GothFrogette]
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Wales
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*bump*
I see bad advice happening again so I thought some people might like a little reminder. Again no names...... I'm not into pointing and shaming.
Do NOT wet your hair or clothes to spin fire. Doing this can result in very nasty steam burns.
I happen to know this from Falmouth. A small accident occured and I ended up with a steam burn on my arm (it had been raining). I never knew such a small burn could hurt so much for so long!
Take care 
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#491376 - 12/08/05 08:54 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: PyroWill]
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HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Registered: 04/08/04
Loc: Staines
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And regarding that post the person in question made i also dislike that then about 2 other people glorified it saying how wet hair looks cool, etc, how can 3 random people on this website not know one of the basics of fire saftey  and its a shame that it got several posts down without anyone saying anything until i stepped in, please be careful guys in what u say
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#491378 - 12/08/05 04:19 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Medusa]
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the henna lady
Registered: 15/12/00
Loc: WNY, USA
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I've **dampened** my hair for nrealy a decade, and so has everyone I have spun with or taught. We have found it to be far more safe than wearing hats or scarves.
Hair does not have a large enough surface area to hold enough water to cause steam burns, unless you put a hat on over wet hair (then it turns into a steamer). I had asked a physics professor I know who also does oral fire arts. Even dry and without product it only singes unless doused in fuel or tangled.
Keep in mind when correcting people that sometimes it is semantics, or small nuances....which *are* very important when dealing with safety but none-the-less they may not be completely wrong.
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#491379 - 12/08/05 05:25 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Pele]
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burner
Registered: 03/05/05
Loc: Perth, Australia
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Thank you for that Pele (as I was the person Medusa was referring to).
And I said that "damp hair will help" not wet hair.
I didn't know about the steam burn thing so that's good to learn. Yes, yes, I know I should read the safety stuff. But in my defence i was following the instructions in the safety section of a poi book which also incidentally suggests that you have a wet towel and bucket of water on standby in case you burn yourself or set a part of you on fire.
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#491380 - 12/08/05 08:57 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Dexta]
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what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Registered: 03/03/05
Loc: Bali
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Dexta, I think it makes a difference whether the skin is broken or not. IMHO Cold water is helpful for 1st degree burns where the skin is not broken... but not for worse burns where the skin is broken....
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#491382 - 13/08/05 12:08 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Doc Lightning]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 27/08/02
Loc: Warwickshire
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i agree completely skully, I generally don't post in threads I know nothing about and say if something i'm saying is speculation. I regularly have arguments with people making technical posts on this board who're talking jibberish, and regularly tell people that they shouldn't be asking some questions online which should really be asked to a professional.
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#491385 - 13/08/05 07:51 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Pele]
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Member
Registered: 16/03/05
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While I do appreciate that there are lots of people who are trained in fire safety; it might be an idea for the forums to adopt a "no-medical-advice" rule.
While there maybe a few members i'm guessing that most of you aren't professionals in the field of medicine, i.e. aren't doctors..nurses etc!
If anybody takes what people say on here as medical advice, then the owners of these forums are liable if anything goes wrong!!
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#491386 - 13/08/05 07:56 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: greenlizard0]
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Internet Hate Machine
Registered: 26/05/04
Loc: They seek him here, they seek ...
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But then what would the point of the Help and technical disscussion forums?
The reason they are there is for people to ask so that others who have the knowledge can share it.
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#491387 - 13/08/05 08:00 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Fine_Rabid_Dog]
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Member
Registered: 16/03/05
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well yes of course.....i'm just saying this because the owners of these forums are responsible for the content and as my post says above they could be sued.
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#491388 - 13/08/05 08:02 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Fine_Rabid_Dog]
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member
Registered: 06/06/05
Loc: under your bed
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I have a question about the dry hair thing. Would hairspray or hairglue make your hair go up faster? I don't use glue before I play with fire just to be sure but it is something that I was wondering.
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#491390 - 13/08/05 08:54 AM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: Fine_Rabid_Dog]
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*Property of Pigeon Wigeon*
Registered: 31/07/05
Loc: Locked In Pigeons Chimney
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There are plenty of warnings about the dangers of fire spinning all over this site so I highly doubt that Malcolm could be found liable if someone hurt themselves. As for the medical professionals thing we do have at least one doctor on the forums and a number of others who, while they may not be professionals, do have a lot of experience in the field of fire related injuries.
Obviously any advice given on the internet should ber taken with a pinch of salt but that goes for all information on the internet (thats the problem with the freedom aspect of it. Everyone is free to push their views and personal knowledge but not everyone is right).
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#491392 - 13/08/05 12:48 PM
Re: Taking care that medical or technical infomation you post is correct.
[Re: greenlizard0]
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the henna lady
Registered: 15/12/00
Loc: WNY, USA
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Written by: greenlizard0
While I do appreciate that there are lots of people who are trained in fire safety; it might be an idea for the forums to adopt a "no-medical-advice" rule.
While there maybe a few members i'm guessing that most of you aren't professionals in the field of medicine, i.e. aren't doctors..nurses etc!
If anybody takes what people say on here as medical advice, then the owners of these forums are liable if anything goes wrong!!
Not going to happen. On the site and in order to be a member you agree to hold HoP administrators, moderators, members and contributors free of liability. So therefore, no-one can be held liable on here.
Next, the resident Dr. has now twice, in this thread, linked to his article on burns. There are several of us who are medical professionals (I can think of 3 nurses off the top of my head) and several more who are First Aide certified or EMT's. There are ***numerous*** threads, and even articles which I have written about what to wear and not to wear... I am confused as to why this is an issue currently. A simple search on the net or on the site to double check anything is quick and painless.
I agree it is silly to simply take the word of a stranger on the net as gospel without double checking...but also do not underestimate the people that are here...or the fact that we know how to cover our bums.
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Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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