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#745722 - 17/06/06 02:19 PM
LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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hello everybody, this is the new and improved first post of this thread. the original first post you can find somewhereon page two.
if you don't know anything about linux yet, read the linux Wiki for the basics.
if you are thinking of trying Linux, you might consider "(K)Ubuntu". it's the distro I'm using and it's supposed to be relatively easy to switch to from Windows. it's a 'Debian' based Linux system and it comes in 2 main flavours: Ubuntu and Kubuntu. the difference between the two is the Desktop Manager. Ubuntu uses "Gnome", Kubuntu uses "KDE". which uses more eye-candy, so is more windows like. for this reason I chose Kubuntu, to make the switch easier. read about (K)Ubuntu here
CONS TO USING LINUX: not all hardware (like printers) have drivers for Linux. But for most things, the community comes up with their own drivers. Check http://linuxprinting.org for a list compatible printers.
almost anything you want to know you can find in the Ubuntu guide, but here is the easiest way I can think of to get Kubuntu running smoothly from scratch without reading the whole guide:
-INSTALLING KUBUNTU-
to install Kubuntu, I present to you the 5 step plan.
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step 1: download a version of Kubuntu here. this will give you a LIVE CD. a live cd is the whole operating sustem running from just the CD, you don't need a hard-drive for this. this might come in handy when you are trying to rescue other systems.
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step 2: burn the .iso image onto a CD and make sure you have some free, unpartitioned space on your computer (7GB or more is preferred)
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step 3: boot from CD and run Kubuntu. click on the Install button on your desktop and it will start.
the installer is quite self-explanatory, but when you get to the partitioner you need to know the following:
you need to create 2 partitions: a SWAP partition (called swap, sized: 1-2 GB) and a root partition (called / , sized 6 GB and up).
after this, the basic system is installed.
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step 4: installing some handy programs through the console
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start Kubuntu.
click the blue K logo, bottom left of the screen, which will open your program-list.
from the list select: System > Konsole
in this console type step by step, followed by 'enter':
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sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
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this will open a text editor with a long file, replace that file with this blue one and click 'safe': close file.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
## MAJOR BUG FIX UPDATES produced after the final release
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
## UBUNTU SECURITY UPDATES
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse
## BACKPORTS REPOSITORY (Unsupported. May contain illegal packages. Use at own risk.)
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
## PLF REPOSITORY (Unsupported. May contain illegal packages. Use at own risk.)
deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf edgy-plf free non-free
deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf edgy-plf free non-free
## CANONICAL COMMERCIAL REPOSITORY (Hosted on Canonical servers, not Ubuntu
## servers. RealPlayer10, Opera, DesktopSecure and more to come.)
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main
## Listen
#deb http://theli.free.fr/packages/ edgy listen
## Automatix repo
deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main
#AUTOMATIX REPOS START
deb http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt dapper main
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse
#AUTOMATIX REPOS END
go back to Konsole type step by step, followed by 'enter':
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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install synaptic gedit
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after this you can install any program you like through the just installed “synaptic”.
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step 5: tweaking:
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now we are going to use a program called automatix to install all the non-free formats like mp3 and flash:
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open synaptic: K-menu > System > Synaptic Package Manager and install automatix2.
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open Automatix2 K-menu > System > Automatix and install all you need
anything else you need to install you can find in the synaptic program, in the K menu.
anything more you need to do to have things work, you can find in the Ubuntu Edgy Guide
if questions are still unanswered, or if you run into any problem, the very helpful Ubuntu Forums are there to help. any problem you can have, has been met and solved by somebody else before you...
that's it.
here are all the links I used:
http://www.kubuntu.org/
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
http://www.linuxprinting.org
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php
Edited by _pOp_ (13/12/06 02:38 AM)
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#745723 - 17/06/06 09:39 PM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
[Re: _pOp_]
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Silly Chavs
Registered: 17/04/02
Loc: Possibly Romania
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Wooooooo!
Go PoP! 
Im suggesting
www.opensuse.org 
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#745724 - 21/06/06 11:09 PM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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yes, suze is "the other one" I was considering, but because I heard so much good things about Kubuntu, and my friend the computer nerd was using it, and able to help me with the first set-up, I chose Kubuntu, and I'm glad I did.
But no matter what distro you use, you can always run all the linux programs, even those that you were used to on your windows computer like Emule or Azureus...
PS: to get sound work better in firefox, go to Konsole and type:
sudo gedit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
this opens another text editor, Add/Change line:
FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
PS2: this is the full sources list mentioned in step 4, so you don't have to go to the link provided and mark all the boxes:
Written by:
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# deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)]/ dapper main restricted
# deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)]/ dapper main restricted
# Automatically generated sources.list
# http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
# If you get errors about missing keys, lookup the key in this file
# and run these commands (replace KEY with the key number)
# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
# gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
# Ubuntu supported packages (packages, GPG key: 437D05B5)
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted
# Ubuntu supported packages (sources, GPG key: 437D05B5)
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted
# Ubuntu community supported packages (packages, GPG key: 437D05B5)
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security universe multiverse
# Ubuntu community supported packages (sources, GPG key: 437D05B5)
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates universe multiverse
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security universe multiverse
# Cipherfunk multimedia packages (packages, GPG key: 33BAC1B3)
# deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ dapper main
# Cipherfunk multimedia packages (sources, GPG key: 33BAC1B3)
# deb-src ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ dapper main
# Penguin Liberation Front (packages)
# deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
# Penguin Liberation Front (sources)
# deb-src ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
# Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ dapper main
# Bleeding edge wine packages (sources)
deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ dapper main
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PS3: there is a second option to installing the restricted formats called Automatix. it will also preselect a list of "handy programs" like emule.
http://www.getautomatix.com/index.php
Edited by _pOp_ (04/09/06 03:58 AM)
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#745727 - 21/06/06 11:54 PM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
[Re: Seye]
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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#745728 - 22/06/06 01:14 AM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
[Re: _pOp_]
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Geek
Registered: 27/03/05
Loc: Manchester, UK
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Written by: _pOp_
wow! so this guy actually knows how to make money, but then still chooses to put all this work in a free distibution... but i must agree it sounds a bit double.
He is from South Africa and hated the way that only the rich people over there could have computers due to the obscene costs involved in licencing software. As a result the team that work with him are trying to develop free linux based programs that will rival even the most expensive professional tools.
Free dreamweaver, photoshop and soundforge equivalents and much much more.
The world needs more people like this man!
I, unfortunately have quite a bit of hardware that I have absolutely no hope of getting and linux distro to work with 
I'm considering setting up a dual boot - I'll still have to run windows for the majority of the time though (like if I want sound)
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#745732 - 22/06/06 01:43 AM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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I just searched for your graphics card in the above mentioned forum, and it seems that this guy has the same card, so you could contact him to get the xorg.conf file you need. but you are right ATI is not fully supported on Linux, it's better to get Nvidia. I gotta go now, but I'll look into your other hardware thingies tonight, see if I can find anything.
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I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!
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#745733 - 22/06/06 01:53 AM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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on the tascam device: http://hal9000.drehmoment.org/tascam/abbleton, reason, cubase, protools are windows/mac programms, you got a couple of linux versions, the best is audicity, which you can also try on windows and mac: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/mass storage devices like external hard-drives or an iPod you mean? these are well supported. but here's a ubuntu howto on USB audio devices: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30891&highlight=Midi+data+deviceand here is a ubuntu howto on midi devices: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58859&highlight=Midi+data+devicebut there should be more tips if you search a little. guitar-rig: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156198&highlight=Midi+data+device
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I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!
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#745734 - 22/06/06 04:41 AM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Silly Chavs
Registered: 17/04/02
Loc: Possibly Romania
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I have an ATI Radeon 9600 XT.. and when I booted to Knoppix yesterday.. things wernt right.
I think its the same problem as you described, that is ATI cards not fully supported.
I was having apps on knoppix not being displayed, menus going screwy, and it seems to hang when its loading up, but reports a timeout instead and carries on loading.
Any ideas?
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#745737 - 04/07/06 06:55 AM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Silly Chavs
Registered: 17/04/02
Loc: Possibly Romania
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Im having problems getting SUSE 10.1 and Xp to Dual boot.
At the moment, the boot loader (its the other main one other than LILO, I cant remember the name right now) loads up and shows either Suse 10.1 or XP.
Suse works fine, but when I try to boot to windows, it says Hal.dll is missing.
Now I know this Hal.dll is important as I have seen it appear (or not as the case may be) many times when my computer is FUBAR.
I think that if I try to install windows again, its going to get rid of the boot loader, and only allow itself to run. (Thats what happened the first ime I installed windows after installing Suse - I had to reinstall Suse to get it working again but as soon as I did that, windows didnt work (HAL.dll error))
Anyone got any ideas what I should do?
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#745738 - 04/07/06 09:20 PM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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appearantly this is a well known problem with dual booting, I found this in an article on dual booting windows XP with windows 2000. since you have linux installed, and were hopefully smart enough to have windows on a FAT32 partition (see my first post), you should be able to boot into linux and apply the fix, without the mentioned removing of harddisk. the full article can be found here, but this is the shortened version: . Written by:
Hal.dll may or may not be found in “D:\WINDOWS\System32” either way it’s no good.
A working copy of hal.dll WILL be found in “C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386”
COPY THAT FILE “D:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386\hal.dll”
And Paste it to “D:\WINDOWS\System32” folder; if it asks to overwrite say YES.
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You should Now be able to boot the computer up as if nothing ever happened.
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With the exception that it will prompt you to reinstall some drivers, Just say YES and let it auto detect …THEY ARE ALREADY THERE. And will setup fine.
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This "FIX" assumes that the computer in question HAS at ther very least service pack1, if not service pack 2.
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If these patches have NOT been installed , I dont belive any such Reserve copy of hal.dll will wxist on the drive!
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I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!
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#745739 - 04/07/06 09:30 PM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Playing OldSchool Poi
Registered: 22/08/03
Loc: amsterdam
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another fix with a downloadable hal.dll file . if you don't have the service pack installed, you can find the hal.dll file on your windows install disk in the folder /i386/hal.dll .
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I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!
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#745740 - 04/07/06 09:42 PM
Re: LINUX, ready for the masses? (a newby guide)
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Flying Water Muppet
Registered: 20/05/03
Loc: Edin-borrow.
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I would suggest using ubuntu rather than kubuntu for newbies. Kubuntu isn't nearly as stable as ubuntu and isn't supported or made by the same people. Ubuntu is the main distribution. It's much better to use ubuntu and then install KDE than use kubuntu.
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"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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had to think of it yesterday because Laura elasta is visiting amsterdam right now and i heard of her through your videos:)
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