It seems us men are losing the war of the sexes...

women overtake men at every level of education...
"however it still dont mean that them there hussies are better than the best 'o us, just means there are more of em" (spoken with a deep texan redneck accent)
hmmm.
good for you ladies,
you can stick em statistics you know where.
grrr. woof.

whatever.

quote from me when I was younger used to infuriate certain female friends of mine:
I aint sexist. Just think women are inferior.

I dont mean it tho, just pissed off that us men cant get our arses in gear.

I find these kind of articles slightly disturbing, not for what they report, but for how they will be interpreted. The tendency on reading these reports is, instead of advocating more support for boys education, to advocate less support for women. The other response is the thought that there is no longer any prejudice against women.

So, my points:

• Support for one gender should not be at the expense of the other
• there is still prejudice in the workplace against women
• there is still prejudice in the workplace against men (family leave entitlements, working requirements etc)

Maybe we just need to move beyond a "one gender is this, therefore the other is this" form of reasoning.

I agree completely, just thought it was an interesting article.

It was indeed and you console yourself with the fact that women in general will never excel like men at peeing while standing up, belching or bodybuilding (sorry but that's just scarrrreeeyyy Bodybuilding women

yup! extremely scary...
and some of the best belchers i know are women,
and...
drum roll...
(if I can find it)
there is a thread somewhere that is about techniques for women to pee standing up...
one for the ladies thread

so that only leaves us men incapable of multiple orgasms.
grumble grumble!

men are capable of multiple orgasms. It just takes a lot of control.

While it sure does look like women are getting equality with men it is an illusion. the men begin smarter are letting the women slowly take over all the working roles so that we will sit back and enjoy the last 4000 years of hard work. of course women aren't completely stupid so the process is slow. it would seem some of the men aren't that quick either and continue to work like dogs. there are three types of people women and smart and stupid men. which one are you?

according to who you speak to, smart men are a myth... but we know thats not true eih?!
hmmm.
I have way too many feminist friends!

Rozi... would very very very much like to know more!

In my school most of the women teachers gave girls better grades just because they were women, and most of the male teachers gave girls better grades just because they flirted with them. So im pretty bitter about the whole thing. I do realize it's not like this everywheres, my school is infamous for being ****ed up and backwards.

For years I vaguely wanted to be a man 'cause I perceived that their lives are much easier. Now I realise it's bollox, there are goods and bads about being both sexes and I really like being a girl. I get to play with make-up without anyone thinking I'm weird.

Though I still would like to pee standing up.

Wake me when 1 in 3 men are getting raped and we'll talk. Until then it's trite backlash. And what good are high grades anyway. Women are making less with those same higher grades. Here's 70 cents, go buy yourself a dollar.

Oh, and about the male multiple orgasm thing.. honestly.. it doesn't take that much control. Just a decent partner.

or an indecent partner....

Bongo... It would appear I agree with you for a change, old friend

I celebrate that women are making more achievements, and hope that they take this opportunity to level the playing field and really make the world a more fair and productive place.

What I've noticed is that girls' scores tend to rely heavily on their amount of confidence about a subject. In my experience, when a girl feels like she doesn't know the material, regardless of how much she's studied it, she continually second-guesses herself in moments of pressure (i.e. exams) and that, rather than lack of knowledge, causes her to lose points. Girls have always been as capable of success as boys, but it's convincing them of that fact that makes things difficult, I think. Makes tutoring one hell of a challenge, believe me!

Perhaps the success is partly the result of more tolerance in society for girls to pursue their own ambitions and not just make babies like their mother before them, too. Education always seems to overcome backward value systems, and as it is made more readily available it's soon apparent that the women of an area are just as able to run things as the men who previously held them back.

I also hope the women who are fortunate enough to experience this success and achievement are also ethical enough not to use it as an excuse to dominate or exact revenge on the men they may find working below them...

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I found a very interesting article that shows a little bit of the "reversal" phenomenon taking place... not to say it's a huge earth-shaking discovery or anything but it was an interesting read.

Dumb stereotypes take heart out of boys' hopes

[ 22. September 2003, 18:05: Message edited by: Dio ]

You had to go and provoke me... hehehe I've been reading up on the subject for the last hour and noticed a few facts that I believe are worth mentioning.

The biggest reason to blame for boys falling behind in schools is the overprescription of drugs for ADD such as Ritalin. Little boys are consistently told that their natural behavior is unacceptable, and when the authority figure (parent, teacher, whichever) has enough they slap a mental deficiency on the kid and call it a day. One article I read stated "research suggests that Ritalin has serious long term consequences for children, including stunting their physical and mental growth."

http://www.hisside.com/9_14_03.htm

Another element that goes with the decline of male academic performance is the way schools are now being structured. The report cited after this paragraph mentions, "Our schools are made for children who can sit still with their hands folded, who aren't distracted by a bug on the wall, who keep quiet and do what you tell them to do even if it is boring. Most girls do fine in this environment, but many boys don't."

http://www.glennsacks.com/boys_the_new.htm

I should point out that both of these articles were referenced to me by the website, ifeminists.net, a feminist (the nice kind!) website.

The final article I looked up was published by the American Center for Education, and though it is an older article it sheds a little bit of light on the fact that the claim that male students are "falling behind" might be a slight skewing of the facts. It suggests that the educational gap is more a function of income, and that, while female enrollment and graduation from college is on the increase (a GOOD thing!), comparing simply males vs females in this respect is a bit too broad to explain the phenomenon correctly.

http://www.acenet.edu/hena/issues/2000/10_23_00/men.cfm

Describing it as "men losing the battle of the sexes" kinda got my hackles up, since I don't really consider it a battle (which implies a struggle for superiority) but more of equalizing things to the way they should be. One thing I'm grateful for is the fact that our generation is that much more equal, fair, and tolerant than the generations before us. We do still have a long way to go but society's definitely trying to pull its head out of its ass, on the whole.

Good points dio!

I also saw an interesting study - here in the UK the reading age of children is regularly tested - and girls now beat the boys, used to always be the other way around

One school did an experiment - they threw out the "nice, safe and fluffy" books the curriculum was trying to get them to give the boys and gave them good old adventure stories instead - blood, pirates whatever the works

Their reading age shot back up to match the girls... they simply hadn't been interested in the material so why would they bother to read.

There's always so much more to it than the simple figures - and i think in todays increasingly safely-safely school enviroment boys are losing interest - nothing wrong with them, something very wrong with the system.

Integrated schools do worse too... having girls in the classes distracts the boys, and vice versa although to a lesser extent - seperate them and they both shape up.

Dio are you calling mr bush a small man?

It's strange that I'd be the one to say this, being that I'm a teacher, but:

Why are you using grades to equate success?

Females are getting better grades. And with those better grades, they are getting worse jobs, making less money, being abused and beaten more by strangers and spouses, being ignored by politicians, being ignored by the medical industry, being overlooked for promotion, being harassed at the workplace, being harassed while walking down the street for god's sake...

Yeah, they're doin' great. But at the end of the day, after being overworked, underpaid, overlooked, defeated, marginalized, raped and beaten... they can hold up their 7th grade reportcard and say "But look I got an A!"


There's a bigger picture guys.

We're not - they are

we're questioning their assumptions.

it seems someone painted yours with mud NYC. the 'lot' women has improved, consider young women of today compared to their mothers, i am not saying they don't have difficulties in this world but who doesn't.

sucess or inteligence, girls excele in the current education system, because most of the teachers in primary school are women who haven't grown up, they talk endlessly about little girl 'stuff' that just tickles the hell out of the princesses obediently whorshipping them, you know the half cirlce around the 'queen'. the boys are just going 'shut the **** up with all that fairy shit' and so 'mum' says this little boys got some sort of dependence on coffee, give him more speed that sort him out. of course the boy can't express his anger cause some 'queens' been talking about fairies for the past 10 years and hes speeding off his face, so this injustice begins to brew up a 'mind set' ready to punish women in the future. But deep down inside men want to hurt women anyway and this is just our excuse

I think in any system which denies women rights or abuses them, it's worth asking whether the men in that system are also being abused, in different ways.

e.g. an obvious example is around the time women were denied the right to vote and men generally considered to be in the superior postion, was in fact a time when young males were routinely shipped off to face the horrors of trench warfare.

This in no way justifies what has happened to women in the past, but I think it's worth seeing the bigger picture, which is not a society that abused women, but one that abused human beings regardless of gender.

Or is it because we abuse human beings based on a stereotype of gender? The assumption that men are better cannon fodder, that work should be their first priority cos family time is "unmanly", that women aren't as dependable in the workplace as men, that they are simply goods & chattels.

I really think we needs more chris rocks in the world. I think the whole racism thing started to change fast when people followed that guys career. He started off being a huge biggot, but he was makeing a point that theres no power in words if you don't let there be. That guy made it black&white simple that it's not a black&white issue. I don't follow comedians a lot because I get their points pretty quickly, but I don't see anyone who's really spending effort pokeing holes at the feminism&sexism debate without polarizing it more then it is.

Amusing

Marriage (Part I)
Typical macho man married typical good-looking lady and after the wedding, he laid down the following rules:
"I'll be home when I want, if I want and at what time I want-and I don't expect any hassle from you. I expect a great dinner to be on the table unless I tell you that I won't be home for dinner. I'll go hunting, fishing, boozing and card-playing when I want with my old buddies and don't you give me a hard time about it. Those are my rules. Any comments?"
His new bride said, "No, that's fine with me. Just understand that there will be sex here at seven o'clock every night . . whether you're here or not."
(DAMN SHE'S GOOD!)

Marriage (Part II)

Husband and wife had a bitter quarrel on the day of their 40th wedding anniversary! . The husband yells, "When you die,
I'm getting you a headstone that reads, 'Here Lies My Wife - Cold As Ever.'
"Yeah?" she replies. "When you die, I'm getting you a headstone that reads, "Here Lies My Husband Stiff At Last.'"
(HE ASKED FOR IT!)


Marriage (Part III)
Husband (a doctor) and his wife are having a fight at the breakfast table. Husband gets up in a rage and says, "And you are no good in bed either," and storms out of the house. After sometime he realizes he was nasty and decides to make amends and rings her up.

She comes to the phone after many rings, and the irritated husband says, "What took you so long to answer the phone?" She says, "I was in bed."
"In bed this early, doing what?"
"Getting a second opinion!"
(YEP, HE HAD THAT COMING, TOO!)


Marriage (Part IV)
A man has six children and is very proud of his achievement. He is so proud of himself, that he starts calling his wife," Mother of Six" in spite of her objections.

One night, they go to a party. The man decides that it's time to go home and wants to find out if his wife is ready to leave as well. He shouts at the top of his voice, "Shall we go home 'Mother ofsix?'"
His wife, irritated by her husband's lack of discretion shouts right back, "Anytime you're ready, Father of Four."
(RIGHT ON, LADY!)

God may have created man before woman but there is always a rough draft before the masterpiece.

LOL
hehe...
i get the feeling this is gonna turn into the "sexist joke war forum"

Bring it on!!!
cept I reckon I'll stand back and laugh at everyone hehehe

Not funny... infidelity is not humorous, nor is it a tool to "get even" in a relationship.

In Marriage Part I, why would she marry a guy that's that big of an ass? Annulment would be the option to go for at that time if he suddenly just manifested that attitude on the wedding day.

Marriage Part II - this one dealt more with age-related insults to virility... nothing wrong with a little bickering.

Marriage III - A woman is justified in adultery if the man criticizes her bedroom performance? And you consider this funny?

Marriage IV - humorous joke, and a good way to humiliate the guy in front of his buddies, but really all it does is make the wife look like a licentious adulteress when you think about it a second.

Please don't portray men as idiots or sex-crazed savages... a vocal minority in our gender might be worthy of that sort of stereotyping but I am certainly not like that and I am disgusted when people assume I might be before they get to know me.

If you would like to see just how drastically men ARE being squashed in matters regarding gender discrimination, check out the following links:
http://www.ncfm.org/will.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_batteredhusbands030207.html
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Lastly a VERY interesting article that I encourage everyone to read in full... It's got a lot of very good points and really puts things in perspective.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3951/sex-orbowling.html

I'll only participate in the "War of the Sexes" if I can take prisoners!



Raph

Dio i only read the last page you recommended, man that stuff seems like its written by a hurt and bitter man. each to their own. if you want to see the bad, watch it by yourself. shit thats harsh, i am sorry.

humour is the only way to go. it easies the pain.