Can we name this move? (bf anti-poly flower)

yeah so, poi are splittime butterfly, one hand does a logarm circle whilst the other follows it doing a tri-foil antispin.

Its a great move and i would like to call it something better than bf anti-poly flower. and its not really a flower...

sugestions?

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yeah, i know the one you mean, i think, not totally sure what you mean by 'tri-foil'? I'm assuming you don't just mean 3 petals to the flower? as I know you know it can be done with more.

A few people have just been calling it a butterfly hybrid but that isn't accurate enough.

I've been trying to learn it spinning the other way for ages so I can do the rapid switch to it as it looks amazing.

there's another butterfly antispin trick I'd like a name for, where they go one arm above the other and move rapidly to the other side of the body, then switch and move back, the visual effect is a vertical bar (made of the poi going head to head in a line) swapping sides.

I've seen it before at least once or twice, but G was doing it very cleanly at Southern Lights.

yakumo, they sound like split time butterfly antispin flowers.

Lovely move. I forgot I could do that. thanks.

Nx, could it be some kind of butterfly fountain?

mm, butterfly fountain works well actually, as all your doing is a circle with your arms, the effect is technically then natural from just that motion, it just takes practice to not collide, and get the timing right for the pace of the long arm, and keep the antispin clean.

I've heard the term before though, are there other butterfly fountains I've missed somehow?

PS. Bummed to hear you're not going to be able to be at PLaY LTC

as for the other move I asked about, how about sweeps, or etch-a-scetch ? (it's like the blanking wipe some had instead of having to shake)

sandy and oli were doing it with double horizontal stalls too.

yeah, tri-foil is three petals, it can be done with more but three is the natural number for the polyrythum.

it could be butterfly fountain, but thats another move where both poi make multiple beats, it dosnt really express the longarm element. Besides fountain is a very specific thing (I only found out recently what it really was).

I have no idea what movew you are onaabout yakomo, but the rapid switch is a question of having your splittime bang on at the bottom when you make your swich... I have thease turning now

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No way is this anything to do with a fountain - so you can leave that idea right now
*mutter mutter mutter*

I think it is most often called a hybrid b/f flower, as opposed to a poly-rhythm flower (as this could be done in several different ways) - being that it is hybrid; one long arm, one isolated (as the antispin contains an isolation), moreover it also shares the hands-together-ness you get with weave hybrids.
And it's a flower, as it has petals, albeit only with one hand...

God, it's too early for such technical ramblings...

that's funny... I was always told that antispin contains no isolation...

which would make the hybrid part obsolete.

When you do a butterfly buzzsaw fountain, one poi automatically spins antispin whilst the other spins normal spin. you don't mention the word antispin in the name of that move...

I don't believe there's a hybrid in there at all.

It is definately butterfly poly rhythm... but poly rhythm what?

Circle? :s

yeah, I was wondering about 'The Fountain', as I've seen the club swingers get reaaaaaaally heavily into the arguments on it. I wasn't aware it would be so picked over if it was an 'X/Y Fountain' though.

hybrid - depends if people think hybrid in plain English terms (composite of two or more things) or if spinners insist in skill toy terms it has to contain one isolated part.

I need to find a video ref clip for the other move I was asking about to show, but I really don't know any off hand,need oli/sandy or G to get busy with a camera, but that seems unlikely, slackers

ooo, sad thing is the visual effects going to be of an atom isn't it? antispin within a plain circle, but that's already taken.

So how about a 'butterfly atom'?

Lets call it Geoff.


(You mean this move dont you?)

UCoF: Almost, but not quite. your arms are splitime, but in this one, the hands are together.

Durbs does it nicely in his patio video.
Yakumo, for a video of the one you mean, I believe lazyangel does it nicely in a video too... and Meenick does it quite often.

Antispin vs longarm? - one arm doing antispin flower whilst one arm does long arm circles - or am I thinking of something totally different. Either way I hav'nt managed to pull it off yet Seen Guy (Lazyangel) do it though and it looks looovely.

Vid would be nice to clarify

On the subject of tri-foils, can anyone do opposite tri-foil antispin flowers (making a 6 point flower from audience perspective), was trying to work out if it was possible

My vid that Ed is talking about is currently offline, I believe.

I think the best vid examples of this move (learning wise) have come from Durbs patio spin and maybe Garthy's xmas vid? also maybe in one or two of meenik's more recentish vids (beautiful thing about ashes/maybe the vid with yuta) but I'm not sure on that

In wallplane then?

Hands together, going round in a cirle together, poi in butterfly RESULTING IN: one poi 1 petal flower (a circle!) and the other 3 petal anti spun?

That right then?

that is indeed correct.

I cant picture it and have no idea what you are talking about.
Who are you anyway?

Warning. The monkey is feeling argumentative. This in no way reduces the validity of his opinions, but it does mean he may use hyperbolic language in a way that could be deemed offensive by GODDAM HIPPIES.

Soooooo this move is a hybrid?
hybrid in the sense in that your hands are doing "different things"????????????
W T F?
Please inform me of a move that isn't hybrid.
That is the most monumentally IDIOTIC form of nomenclature i have ever encountered.

Ed - an antispin pattern doesn't necessarily contain isolation, but an antispin pattern can also be isolated, in a few different ways.

TommyNx - what do you mean by split time in this context?

All - Surely this move should be named as part of a family that deals with the effects of moving the common centre of direction of two opposite direction poi. (a la RobbieBluecat's brownian motion butterfly - a kind of ordered butterfly heisenberg)