CLEAN Weave 2 Butterfly transition

I'm sorry, this was prolly answered before, but I just can't phrase it right.. (( anyhow it just seems to me that butterfly is somehow technically "disconnected" from the rest of the 8 routine, does anyone know how to get from weave to butterfly straight, i would assume some asymmetrical overhead stuff..

much thanks, skjalff


P.S> see, I came up with a move to go from butterfly straight to the weave, but no matter how much time I spend on it, I cant grasp the inverse.. ((( help!!!

you should probably do a search, but i'm a closet anarchist so i'll answer anyway

Weave stuff = both poi going the same direction, butterfly stuff = poi rotating in opposing directions.

This means that to transition from weave to butterfly, or the other way, you'll either need to twist some planes round (eg. spinning forward circles at your side, bring them in front to go into forwards butterfly.) or switch the direction of one of them (stalls, wraps etc.)

Wraps & stalls are gone into a loads of detail in loads of threads.

Plane twisting hasn't been discussed much here as far as i'm aware. Lots of people reckon it generally looks pretty ugly, but IMO thats because they only see people doing it in an ugly way...

(theres a certain style i call 'macho spinning' where people spin as fast as they can and drag the planes all over the place by just yanking the poi around. its not the prettiest )

Try out just turning the plane of the poi round, ie. just spinning them in regular circles, and turning the circles round to face different directions. And try to avoid just dragging or pulling them into the new plane, cos that generally looks really messy (and hazardous in the case of fire\beamers).

Remember you can twist planes on any axis - horizontal, vertical, diagonal. Check it out until you find something that looks and feels smooth. Often bringing one or both poi out on a much larger long arm arc makes making large plane alterations easier.

or you could just learn some wraps n stalls which are easier and make easily impressed people go woo! when you do it with fire

Plane twisting, YAY!

Not much to add really other than I like them and I agree with Simian.

I will add that if you go slow enough you can keep the poi from going above horizontal, makes some nice shapes. I do find that holding the chain rather that finger loops helps with plane twisting.

I have found some way of pulling a butterfly apart and ending up in a 5beat weave, not something I can do with skill though so I'm afraid I can't explain it. There's a bit of a turn in there somewhere as well.

It's easy to do with a forward butterfly, You just cross your arms over so the poi swing in planes on you sides for a beat but on either side. If you lead with one hand first they do this split time, and from that it's just natural to go into a weave. Or you can do a split time butterfly which makes the whole transition much smoother. Split time is when the poi meet on the sides of the circle they make in the butterfly rather then on the top and bottom. With reverse butterfly it's trickier and uglier looking, so I just wrap or stall.

edit:Does the transition i explained actually look good? Have you seen people pull it off seamlessly without looking like they are dragging the planes around? It seems fairly smooth when I do it but it's hard for me to know what it looks like.

[ 27. June 2003, 03:31: Message edited by: Astar ]

Thanks everyone!!

Astar, thanks for advice, but I have a problem going INTO the butterfly from the weave. ))

also, yeah, I know about plane shifts and twists, i wanted a direct transition, like slowly breaking the rithm of the weave and then changing direction on one of the poi. It just really bothers me i have to do awkward stuff to get to butterfly.. dunno..

you can go to a butterfly separation the best from a weave. That is so the poi make separate circles and meet in the middle of your chest. I find the planes tend to be a bit angled when you do this but after like 2 beats they straighten out. you can do like 1 beat of a separation and then go into a regular butterfly.

I think that is pretty much it, i've been trying that, but i'm just not sure how good/bad it looks before the angle reaches 180. I suppose its fine. I'll start practicing that.

thanks a bunchee

i;ve found that if while doing the forward weave (try it first with forward circles) that as your arms are crossed in front of you if you turn 180 you can sorta force the poi in tour left hand to contunue spinning forward, espically if you make it a giant circle as you spin (spinning with your arm as part as the chain, just like the giant butterfly)...
then the poi are going opposite directions (left forward, right backward), and it's cake from there.
i dont know know if this looks at all good, but i havet been practicing it either.. i like wraps!
-- jon
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Shout out to all the East Coast Wrappers yo...

I'm big into wraps...

But was also surprised how easy it is to go from a corkscrew into a butterfly. Since both planes shift 90 degrees rather than 180 degrees.

I've seen people do some very attractive plane twists--I think they look better the fewer poi rotations it takes to make the change. Other than that, the smoothest I'm capable of without twisting planes is spinning them in the same direction on the same side of my body, and forearm wrapping one of them. I'm sure there must be some awesome way of stalling and making the change, but I'm not sure what it is.

The 1.5 beat weave is your friend

nice 6yr bump :champagne: nice to see that this is a goldie topic

"oneandahalfbeatwave"... *scratches head* ... noramos, sorry can't figure that, but it's late already, so 4give me plz - other than that - what sister eleven said:

stalls, kickups and wraps represent the smoothies for me

Go from a 3 beat weave, into the 1.5 beat weave. From the pendulum circle, you switch the poi's direction into your butterfly.

http://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/Pendulum-weave-15s-3_40_164

I use stalls to go from 3 beat weave to butterfly. Works fairly well, but horizontal stalls take a bit of practice in this use.

which is what that "1.5 beat wave" is - a "camoflaged" stall, no?