After all the hounding......

So... picture this...A proposal is made to have a contest. Then we get begged to extend the deadline of the contest, we did. When the reults came in I began to get inundated with emails asking for a date, a time if possible down to the second of when the t-shirts will be ready for sale, as well as demands for them to be released before the holidays. Malcolm and I bust our butts checking around to find printers and distributors. Whipping Boy and I worked dillegently to get the designs on the shirts and stuff ready for ordering, setting aside other things we really needed to do, so as to have them ready before the holidays, even if marginally. And after a few threads, many emails and alot of nagging we get these things up for sale, finally.
BUT, and here is the clincher, when we checked the sales reports today, not one...let me rephrase that, NOT ONE has been sold.
Why, when so many of you hounded us for so long about all of this? Is there any particular reason for not purchasing them or are you all waiting to use your holiday money from granny on them? Are they not appealing enough (hey, it is the best we can do)?

I admit I am a bit irritated right now. It reminds me of the kid who pesters his parents for a toy and then never plays with it.

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Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...

http://www.pyromorph.com

???

You guys hide the button for buying T-shirts really well. After reading this post I thought "T-shirts, what T-shirts?!" It took me a good few minutes of browsing through the "store" and found nothing... I scrolled through the past few weeks of posts for a "Now Available: T-shirts!" and found nothing.. then I did a search on "t-shirts" and found nothing... I scoured the homepage for the little "Now On Sale!" sign and found nothing until I scrolled down on the left side finding a small "button" called "purchase T-Shirts"...

You guys generally publicize very well (that new electric glowing staff thingie was all over the place) but this time I think you may have been less effective.

Rather than an "I'm irritated" email you could have posted a more positive "Just wanted to bring to your attention the T-shirts are on sale" post. I don't think that a frustrated post is the most effective way to sell T-shirts either.

I kept hearing about these, but never thought to even look at buying them - no reason, just hadn't.

But today I had a look and now I'm thinking "hmmm, Wouldn't mind a hat, bag or something else"! So now we'll see.

For those who can't find the link here try this:
T-SHIRTS!!

(I also like the fact that there is a secret hidden link between the "Your favourite tshirt design" and the 4 chosen designs - see if you can find it )

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Courage is the man who can stop after just one peanut

[This message has been edited by Bendy (edited 16 December 2001).]

NYC...in the recent thread titled Tshirts (sad face) by Auger it was brought up with a link that they were up for sale. I didn't want to start another duplicate thread (being the dutiful mod). I am sorry you missed it.

Now, why is it everyone else can put up grumble threads and when I do, I get told I am wrong in doing so? *sigh* I can't win.

Anyway, tshirts and other merchandise with the winning logo's on them are currently available at the link so sweetly posted by Bendy (thank you ). I hope you enjoy them.

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Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...

http://www.pyromorph.com

I nev3er realized they were up for sale.
I'm def buying some.

WHOOOAAA THATS INSANE WE CAN GET HOODIES WITH THE DESIGNS ON EM!??!?!

SWEET! I had no idea that the t shirts were on sale...but after reading this thread I have become overjoyed...I think you should put a link on the front page in big bold letters to the t shirts...that will bump the sales up right away!

Thanks for the hard work you put into this Pele, Whipping Boy, Malcom, the designers, and everyone else who has made it possible to get these great shirts!

Chris

Pele, I think you'll find when others grumble they also get hassled about it.

NYC was hinting at the way that peer pressure affects purchases. If no-one else has bought something, it makes people think twice about buying it themselves...

But I think we are all coming from different perspectives, as Pele is venting, NYC is seeing it as a sales tool, bendy and others have only just discovered how to buy them etc...

By the way, in general marketing, if 1000 people say they would buy item X if it was available, only 50 usually end up buying it...

But, anyway, go buy 'em!

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Charles (INFERNO)

newdolbel@hotmail.com
http://juggling.co.nz

ok, i went to the cafepress page and it's just a little bit weird seeing my design on actual merchandise. the idea that someone could be wearing a hoodie sporting a picture i conjured up is surreal! it's such a shame they can't do it on black

robert, if you can get a version of your design on white to me I will add it to the shop. It may still look good on grey. The white will show up as clear in the production process.

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"There no such thing as bad weather, only wrong clothes."
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you

Pele, I love Robert's design and would have liked to check the price for a white simple small T shirt ... but on cafepress I only saw the big sweat shirt and mugs and otehr stuff... I probably missde the part where it says "order a simple Tshirt" OR I don't know what a T shirt is
seriously though, can you please tell me what to do to get a simple Tshirt ?

thanks in advance
cassandra

Cass, Robert's does not come on a simple shirt yet. Since they (cafepress) do not offer black shirts with full color images it doesn't look as good.
We will either offer up a shirt with the black rectangle, or I'm hoping to have Robert redesign it without the black background.
Either way they will be up soon.

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"There no such thing as bad weather, only wrong clothes."
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you

i dont know if this is available from the company you are ordering from but i have in the past got an iron on logo thing like a tranfer which you iron on to a tshirt
it is totaly permanent. and looks just as good as a printed tshirt.
the major advantage of this being that if you sold it with roberts design people could then iron it own to black tshirts because this would look alot better than a black rectangle or a white background
and
also they could be put on other clothing such as hoddies etc.
the one i brought was about 15 x 20cm and cost me £5 but i dont really know how much they cost to produce and how much of that was mark up.

the design-t-shirt/mug/misc. combos look good.

I went looking through the Cafepress website and found something that'll help our little shirt store.

This link I'm supplying has all of the shirts on one page for your page viewing pleasure.
International Fire and Twirling Arts Convention

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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, critique"
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you

[This message has been edited by Pele'sWhippingBoy (edited 08 January 2002).]

Won't buy until they come in black...
Love the designs hate white.....

Donia
www.ignisdevoco.com

"Where there is sorrow, I seek the flame."
Rumi

are they... fire proof? :P

Must agree that white doesn't tickle my fancy either.. although I spend about $5 on personal clothing each year so I doubt it would be my thing anyway. (Although the design looks pretty funkarama).

Thing with my experience and my friends experience with iron-ons and even buying tshirts where they've been 'professionally' ironed on is - they aren't super super permanent. I mean sure they might last a year or two but after that they start to either (a) fade badly (b) get raggy around edges (c) come off completely (d) all of the above.

That is .. if you wash/wear it frequently.

On second thoughts - for those ppl that buy new clothes every week/month this may not be a problem at all. Hell, just buy another.

Where is the HOP underwear?

As I said before...in this thread....they will not be coming in black, so those of you who are waiting will be waiting a very long while. Cafe Press and other tshirt printers have expressed that the color gradients are too vast to accurately represent, and for those that can do do this, the cost effectiveness is non-exsistent. It would be about $30 per t-shirt. Yes, I could iron on decals but I won't. We are trying to provide quality and iron-on's do not have it.
These are incredible designs which are very representative of some of the emotion we put into our arts, created by talented people who know these emotions. That for me is enough to want one of each. I am sorry that some of you do not agree, but that is the way it goes.
These are quality shirts, not iron ons. We have some cafe press clothes and they have held up very well. Yes they are 100% cotton, therefore you can spin in them as you would any other cotton clothes.

As for sending the design to individuals so they can make it into an iron on, we have permission to use the designs for t-shirts and merch from the artists as a fundraiser for the convention. This is what they were intended for, and everyone was told the availability of black would be no garuntee. We will not be sending out the pictures to anyone as it would defeat the purpose of the fundraiser.

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Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...

http://www.pyromorph.com

hmm, i sent malcolm an updated file with the design on a white background instead of black.... so that you wouldn't have to have the 'patch' effect..... any news on what's happening with that ??

The designs really do look fantastic and I'd love to buy some stuff but with the Aust. dollar the way it is (and my bank balance the way it is!), I just can't justify it right now no matter how much I want to help out

I *am* on holidays for a couple of weeks so my holiday pay will be paying for the COL videos etc that I've been hanging out for for ages so I'll see what I've got left after that. I *do* keep looking at the merchandise and window shopping so I'm sure I'll give in to an impulse purpose soon

Hel

Anyone know what the effect of buying one of these white Ts and then dying it black will be? Does the print get affected as well I wonder?

Dom, I would imagine the dye would get onto every part of the t-shirt.

RM, I'll contact him and see. He's really busy lately from what I've heard. If possible could you send it to me? My email is pwb@pyromorph.com.
How does it look on white? I was afraid that it may lose a little at the edges. Just so you know, white translates to transparent when putting it on a cafepress t-shirt. This way it'll work for the grey shirts as well.

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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, critique"
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you

any of you fine Poi women can purchase me a pair of boxers. In return, ill send you an autographed photo of me in them.

Add 5 dollars for each aditional condiment..(ie. chocolate syrup, whip cream etc..)

Super'

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Originally by Superman
any of you fine Poi women can purchase me a pair of boxers. In return, ill send you an autographed photo of me in them.
Add 5 dollars for each aditional condiment..(ie. chocolate syrup, whip cream etc..)

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Only the women? I was going to splurge for Pele!

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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, critique"
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you

anything for Pele...

"S"

pwb - just sent you the file.
good luck

RM, thanks. I'll work with Pele and see how it looks. I'll shoot for tonight to get the shirts modified. Otherwise I can get to it tomorrow for sure.
No promises though. If they don't look good without the black we may not use it. (Little disclaimer just in case.)

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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, critique"
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you

I was able to get the new shirts up with Robert Michael's design without the black border. His old design is still there with the black border for those that want it.

Here is the link to view all the current merchendise:
International Fire and Twirling Arts Convention

If you're wondering about what's available I'll list it now:
- White T-shirts
- Grey T-shirts
- Long sleeve T-shirts
- Tank tops
- Grey "hoodies"
- Grey sweat-shirts
- Large Mugs
- Regular sized mugs
- Caps
- Bucket hats
- Mouse pads
- Tote bags
- Boxer shorts. Currently only one design has boxers. If you want boxers with a different design let me know and I'll add it to the store.

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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, critique"
Pyromorph - Let the fire change you