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#917207 - 04/07/10 01:00 PM Raver vs. Hippie
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Dear Hippies,

There is nothing wrong with taking a bath, eating a chicken or shaving your junk! Seriously, why can't I go to an event without the dirt kidds riding me about my impact on the planet BC I make my hygiene a daily concern?

I sit and hope that an alligator will pop out of the water and attack you from behind the entire time I am smiling and agreeing with your over bearing views about my personal practices and how they damage the environment.

I'm willing to wager that I impact the environment far less than you do!

With Love,

Another Damn Party Kidd smile
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#917211 - 04/07/10 03:47 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
Sister Eleven Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Loc: Seattle, WA
Dear ravers,

One photo of a rationalist nihilist death metal dyke spinning poi near a redwood does not make them a hippie. But really this is a post for metalhead/raver vs. other ravers who aren't brutal enough. I just don't want to start that thread.

(Also I hope this isn't genuinely getting out of hand, Refuge. I'm just playing as a way to vent about the high school aged candy ravers in dumb pants that ruined our Wednesday spin jam venue. I intend it in good humor, in any case.)
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#917212 - 04/07/10 04:16 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
LOL! I knew it!

*sings we are family*

I just wanted to vent a little. Instead of 'Sermon on the Hill' I was give 'Lecture in the Water' last weekend by some drunken hippie. Not that it irritated me, it's that I sometimes believe that no matter what you do, it will never be enough for the wannabe 'Earth Firsters' of the world.

I don't just try, I do! And no matter how one may wish to label me, my concerns and actions are genuine! Living off of a well, and not being connected to a public sewage system I have to be highly mindful of what I put into the water before it leaves my house because afterwards it goes to my fruit trees.

It was disturbing being lectured by someone who most likely, when they do use soap, adds phosphates to the fresh water cycle, from their energy gobbling apartment that they travel to and from in a fuel guzzling car on their way to the organic smoothie bar at Whole Foods.

Ah, we were all candy kidds in HS at one time or another. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and try to give them your experience and examples to follow. It does take a village wink
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#917216 - 04/07/10 04:40 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
Seaspray Offline
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Registered: 08/07/09
Loc: At the Back of the North Wind
meh... the problem with the Banff 'hippies' is they like the wrong element...

Too many stoners, not enough pyros!
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#917217 - 04/07/10 04:47 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seaspray]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
In the Gonzalo future, all the hippies will be eating oranges instead of smoking cannabis!

http://thecrit.com/2008/10/05/florida-biochemist-designs-a-citrus-tree-with-thc/


Edited by Refuge Crew (04/07/10 04:48 PM)
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#917244 - 05/07/10 01:46 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
Soopa Offline
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Registered: 31/07/09
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
In the Gonzalo future, all the hippies will be eating oranges instead of smoking cannabis!

http://thecrit.com/2008/10/05/florida-biochemist-designs-a-citrus-tree-with-thc/


Holy censored lol that's awesome

How come I haven't seen any of these? You could grow it in your backyard and no one would censored know, censored the pot I want oranges!

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#917248 - 05/07/10 04:04 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Soopa]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
I'd like to thank Jared's room mates, Jesse and Dave, for this delightful info. The guy managed to get out 50 batches of seeds before the gov. stepped in and asked him to stop distributing them. We are all now on the hunt for the magical orange trees!

Soopa! Get that genny working tongue

I for one am ready for another party. I may have talked a little too much to too many people. They are all about coming from all over the continent next year.


Edited by Refuge Crew (05/07/10 04:08 PM)
Edit Reason: Had to add high-fructose corn syrup
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#917250 - 05/07/10 05:16 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
Seaspray Offline
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Registered: 08/07/09
Loc: At the Back of the North Wind
can I top it and say if at a convenient time of year, I might come international? tongue
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#917252 - 05/07/10 05:51 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seaspray]
Soopa Offline
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Registered: 31/07/09
next party will blow up

I hope

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#917253 - 05/07/10 06:21 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Soopa]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: Seaspray
can I top it and say if at a convenient time of year, I might come international? tongue


All are welcome and we will sort you out if you manage an extraordinary trip. We have pyros in endless supply. The next one is the 5th, 6th and 7th of November, 2010, the one after that is the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of April, 2011. Annual FMG dates is to be determined.

Originally Posted By: Soopa
next party will blow up

I hope


I'm frightened tongue

Back on topic: Dear hippies, I'll trade you some potash olive oil soap for some party favours. grin
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#917258 - 05/07/10 08:26 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 20/09/03
Originally Posted By: RC
I sit and hope that an alligator will pop out of the water and attack you from behind the entire time I am smiling and agreeing with your over bearing views about my personal practices and how they damage the environment.


I'd suggest serious improvement of self esteem and less double faced social interaction. If taken this statement as your genuine opinion I'd say: Get some dignity into your backbone, mate.

Disregarding personal hygiene, using psychotropic drugs and being veg (recreationally) makes you a hippie boofhead
Not having concerns on your environmental impact, makes you a raver boofhead

I can't see any "vs." in this...
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#917259 - 05/07/10 09:02 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: FireTom
I'd suggest serious improvement of self esteem and less double faced social interaction. If taken this statement as your genuine opinion I'd say: Get some dignity into your backbone, mate.

Disregarding personal hygiene, using psychotropic drugs and being veg (recreationally) makes you a hippie boofhead
Not having concerns on your environmental impact, makes you a raver boofhead

I can't see any "vs." in this...


FT as much as you would like for me to take your 'suggestion' under advisement, this 'vs' thread is part of the general daftness genre wink

As far as self esteem is concerned, I'd say it's not really about that. It is more about being polite and choosing one's battles. I don't think that one that sits on the fence and can't have a stable opinion about anything should be advising anyone about backbone or dignity. We have very different opinions about what is and what isn't. I'd suggest you leave it alone at just that smile

So many things can make anyone a 'boofhead' but it's just nice to exchange fire.

But I do always enjoy your pseudo-psychoanalysis as well as the swing of your Germani stick.
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#917261 - 05/07/10 09:12 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Registered: 27/03/05
Loc: Manchester, UK
Dear Americans,

You have no idea what ravers or raves are. You use these words in entirely the wrong context. There is a complex array of terms to describe every element of the party scene, please learn them. Also, while we are here, the acronym "PLUR" is just not cool.

Yours,
The UK.

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#917262 - 05/07/10 09:42 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
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Registered: 20/09/03
lol

oh - daftness... pardon me wink please take into account that no matter what you may consider it - there might be people taking offense in your terminologies and context put, Guru-Ji wink

"Politeness" (or "political correctness" - if you may) is okay when facing cultural differences (Western ./. Thai for example)... but personally I rather sit on a fence and waving that stick than having it stuck all up the a**, replacing a potential backbone wink

Back on topic: study the following pictures - and guess who's my favorite wink



vs.



a hint for the boofheeads: peace
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#917263 - 05/07/10 10:12 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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#917264 - 05/07/10 11:00 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: Seye
Dear Americans,

You have no idea what ravers or raves are. You use these words in entirely the wrong context. There is a complex array of terms to describe every element of the party scene, please learn them. Also, while we are here, the acronym "PLUR" is just not cool.

Yours,
The UK.


The words 'raver' and 'rave' are being used to accommodate the general population's vernacular. Now you've done it! EoN will probably be along shortly to argue technical terms and the complexities of the party scene with you. I'm sure she won't have to run to wikipedia for terminology like you may. But, by all means, let's talk terminology so you can eat your words. wink

FYI, Goldie and everything the UK has produced after him, horrible! NADNB far better than UKDNB.

And having been to parties all over the globe... The UK has stifled something serious! When was the last time the UK produced an epic party? Germany just had one.... US just had one.... UK....Eh...........

It's only natural to be jealous, you'll get there again, I have faith in you guys.

And FT....

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#917265 - 05/07/10 11:19 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 27/03/05
Loc: Manchester, UK
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
The words 'raver' and 'rave' are being used to accommodate the general population's vernacular. Now you've done it! EoN will probably be along shortly to argue technical terms and the complexities of the party scene with you. I'm sure she won't have to run to wikipedia for terminology like you may. But, by all means, let's talk terminology so you can eat your words. wink

FYI, Goldie and everything the UK has produced after him, horrible! NADNB far better than UKDNB.

And having been to parties all over the globe... The UK has stifled something serious! When was the last time the UK produced an epic party? Germany just had one.... US just had one.... UK....Eh...........

It's only natural to be jealous, you'll get there again, I have faith in you guys.



It is impossible to argue with such retardedness so I won't bother.

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#917266 - 05/07/10 11:33 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Sadly, you refuse to believe that you misuse the 'complex array of terms to describe every element of the party scene', but you do. What's more, is that if it comes down to it, the argument over which country misuses modern terms, the odds stack in favour for NA, since their culture is more invasive and a bigger part of your life, than your culture is in theirs. How often do you misuse the other word in this forum, hippie. Your arguement would fail BC it can easily be used against you. NA has contributed to party terminology just as much as the UK. Just accept with the facts.

Sad, but thanks for stopping by and I hope you enjoy your garden parties! grin
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#917267 - 05/07/10 11:36 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 10/04/10
Loc: New Zealand
Oh, for goodness sake, a rave is a rave. >.<

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#917268 - 05/07/10 11:47 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
Seye Offline
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Registered: 27/03/05
Loc: Manchester, UK
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
Sadly, you refuse to believe that you misuse the 'complex array of terms to describe every element of the party scene', but you do. What's more, is that if it comes down to it, the argument over which country misuses modern terms, the odds stack in favour for NA, since their culture is more invasive and a bigger part of your life, than your culture is in theirs. How often do you misuse the other word in this forum, hippie. Your arguement would fail BC it can easily be used against you. NA has contributed to party terminology just as much as the UK. Just accept with the facts.

Sad, but thanks for stopping by and I hope you enjoy your garden parties! grin

As I said - I'm not arguing with you because it is obviously not worth the effort. Your own posts prove that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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#917269 - 06/07/10 12:15 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
<---bites keyboard and does as he told Icarus he would do.

Would anyone care for some delicious Cadbury's? It's mostly enriched sugar!


Edited by Refuge Crew (06/07/10 12:29 AM)
Edit Reason: Had to offer NA owed confectionaries :)
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#917270 - 06/07/10 12:38 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
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"Germany just had one..." That's meant to be 'in time' and not 'in numbers', is it?

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#917271 - 06/07/10 12:39 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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#917272 - 06/07/10 12:40 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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#917273 - 06/07/10 12:40 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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#917274 - 06/07/10 12:41 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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if you don't know the previous image, you're not qualified to even talk about "raves" as such wink
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#917275 - 06/07/10 12:42 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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As to:

Originally Posted By: RC
And having been to parties all over the globe... The UK has stifled something serious! When was the last time the UK produced an epic party? Germany just had one.... US just had one.... UK....Eh...........


Originally Posted By: eFestivals.co.uk
2010's event will mark the 40th anniversary of music and arts festivals at Worthy Farm, Somerset, where Michael Eavis first opened his gates for business in September 1970, and now it's visited by around 177,000 people including staff, performers, etc.


for a comparison (if 40yrs of existence don't ring a bell) - Burning Man 2009: 44.000... can you believe that kid talking about "epic parties", "the UK" and has never heard of Glastonbury? lol

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#917283 - 06/07/10 02:24 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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ENchanted Forest, best rave ever. I almost got lost and died in the woods after taking a little some something.
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#917287 - 06/07/10 04:41 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: WoodlandApple]
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lol I could envision hordes of little pixies guiding you back to where you once belonged wink

Guess you'd be quite happy to join our "garden parties", RC- this one maybe is too secret to make news across the Atlantic:

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#917295 - 06/07/10 10:49 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Your troll food or mine...

There is no doubt about the LP or Germany's epic parties.

Glastonbury is not an EDM event. Since we are comparing apples and oranges....

http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2008/08/lollapalooza--2.html

225,000 not including staff and performers.

I ask you now. Is Glastonbury so big? smile

Largest music event on the planet - Summerfest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerfest

Combine the attendance to this event in it's over 40 years and compare that to the LP, since you enjoy comparing apples and oranges, and stick that in your pocket for a rainy Berlin day.

This is just at one place at one time. If one were to combine the figures for the entire EDC(an EDM event) tour for all it's time, like you just did with the LP, The figures would easily surpass 16 million. However, anyone that can use google can see that 16 million is an embellished number for the LP. When you combine all the attendance stats from all the LP events world wide you come up with approx. 12.3 million. Nice try FT, yet again, you've made another misrepresentation.

Also, Burning Man, is not a music event. Comparing BM to Glastonbury, is like comparing Woodstock(500,000 people in one place at one time) to a sewing convention.

I really could go on and on. Here are the facts, single setting EDM events are larger in Europe than in NA. The UK, does not produce larger EDM events than the US any more, and hasn't in ages. Europe does not produce larger music events than NA. Finally, if you want to make statements about terminology and the proper use of it and refuse to back it up, you really should present a better argument than, childish name calling.
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#917297 - 06/07/10 11:39 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Also, using a psychotropic substance does not, and to use FT's word from yesteryear, make you a boofhead. God put it on the planet for a reason, what reason if not to be used? So many cultures have used mushrooms, peyote, alcohol, ect. to induce altered states of awareness. It seems like a very natural thing to do in my opinion.
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#917299 - 06/07/10 12:33 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: FireTom
lol I could envision hordes of little pixies guiding you back to where you once belonged wink


Are you kidding? The pixies are what got me lost in the first place! I was wondering around the forest for ages before I came down and found a road.

I am a reformed raver that is now a hippy (I have the dreads and everything now)

and I often look back to my rave days and my fluoro pants and wonder if I was the one enjoying myself, or whether it was just the drugs I was taking, and it makes a big difference to me now. cause it all seems so fake now and that all my experiences were not real (a lot of them weren't)

It kinda makes taking drugs worthless IMHO

oh, and my body is a temple. blah blah blah....
It only accepts offerings of coffee and spicy foods now.
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#917301 - 06/07/10 01:42 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: WoodlandApple]
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Will save the day...

wink
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#917306 - 06/07/10 02:24 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Wouldn't it be an over stepping presumption for me to define what a hippie 'really is' to anyone?

I think I will take the more 'enlightened' path and pick another day to rain on someone's 'parade' smile

@ EoN: I did just lulz so hard I snorted a little. *blows the cavalry horn*

I love this T-shirt!
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#917307 - 06/07/10 02:43 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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@Fugee: *high five* grin

What does some Pop/Mainstream concert like Glastonbury have to do with either scene? I mean like... I don't get it...

Anyways I do have an issue with lacks of cleanliness saying it's for the greater good because while moderating our usage of soap and water is nice and such, being disrespectful to society by being smelly and germ ridden is just insane. Not that this issue doesn't happen to everyone time to time, but seriously when it's done on purpose it's seriously demented in it's own way...

Unless you don't contaminate the non-consenting public we do have a right to hold issues if you invade our space with such. tongue
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#917309 - 06/07/10 03:09 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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<---has a recipe for a superb laundry soap that costs about $1.00 per gallon to make. I should start just giving it to friends so they do less damage to the water. I already give away a grip of lye and potash soap.
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#917310 - 06/07/10 03:15 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 18/06/09
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I'm a person. I listen to music. I spin fire. Why is everyone so obsessed with labels?

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#917311 - 06/07/10 03:21 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EddieGoJam]
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Registered: 26/02/10
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It really wasn't satirical EGJ. Put on some brightly coloured spandex shpants or go vegan and see what you become labelled then. smile
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#917312 - 06/07/10 03:33 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EddieGoJam]
EpitomeOfNovice Offline
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Registered: 15/09/09
Loc: Dover, Delaware USA
Originally Posted By: EddieGoJam
I'm a person. I listen to music. I spin fire. Why is everyone so obsessed with labels?


It helps us to describe the intangible parts of individuality to people other than ourselves and adds a contextual imagery anecdote while conversing about experiences to those who were not present.

I don't see labels as good or bad, but more so a tool to aid communication.
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#917315 - 06/07/10 04:22 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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I dont think Im a hippy, but I get called it all the time. I think its more funny than anything else
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#917317 - 06/07/10 05:20 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: WoodlandApple]
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I think that is the general feeling on labels. I don't mind being labled, it's inevitable, but I do mind someone preaching to me about how to live and think based on their assumptions.

*Looks around for the next presumptuous statement*
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#917318 - 06/07/10 05:55 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Wow, this thread sure got flamey in spite of the fact that rave and hippie culture are virtually indistinguishable. tongue

And if American English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough to have the canonical use of "rave" ;p~
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#917319 - 06/07/10 06:07 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
LOL! I LOVE YOU SE!
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#917320 - 06/07/10 06:22 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven
Wow, this thread sure got flamey in spite of the fact that rave and hippie culture are virtually indistinguishable. tongue


At the end of a three day event even the smell difference between a hippy and a raver are indistinguishable! The only difference would be how long they have smelt like that for...:P
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#917322 - 06/07/10 06:44 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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lol3 kids need labels - and those only growing old, they need them even harder 'cause they never manage to grow up wink

RC your american eyes miss the details in my numbers: 1,6 not 1.6 was what I was writing... wink and it's not "the total number" but "at one given time" ... demographics of DE vs US now spared.

meditate unseen - bm is epic too meditate

bounce it's finally a rainy day in Berlin and it's sooo amazing because the recent heat was quite dreadful on the earth... but I suspect you haven't learned to feel happy from the inside and dance in the rain (uffie - saying it and the sun literally breaks trough the clouds)... Maybe you're not able to feel euphoria in the middle of a forest, never hugged a tree and felt its power, patience and love for the mother. Maybe you still need to generate this euphoria by taking stuff? Wait some time, eventually you'll get there by "sharing" and "giving" heart wink

@ Oz - even if RC's claim is true that you try hard to be like the Us ... having travelled you both... I really hope you manage to keep your own identity hug2

A good party is a good party - and I never took size nor music over people creating the vibe... wink

weave ah - rebellious adolescent little buggers - I remember you sitting at the circle with BIG eyes eek gazing at the firedancers... now that you got some skills on your own you need to rub on us? Prove you got the balls? From behind your keyboard ??????? lol3 wink here - have another candy, raver - wait, pick your colour juggle crazy nana wink
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#917328 - 06/07/10 07:22 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: FireTom
RC your american eyes miss the details in my numbers: 1,6 not 1.6 was what I was writing... wink and it's not "the total number" but "at one given time" ... demographics of DE vs US now spared.


I covet what I see everyday. I really do take American eyes as a compliment.

Originally Posted By: FireTom
1.6 m.i.l.l.i.o.n visitors


Remove all the BS dots and tell me what you come up with FT.

But I will 'give' you a victory on 1.6 million BC I omitted that I read that to see if I could get away with it.

Originally Posted By: FireTom
unseen - bm is epic too


Don't get me started on BM! It's a total sham!

Originally Posted By: FireTom
it's finally a rainy day in Berlin


Is it raining in 'Shanti' town? You may want to stay indoors and cook all day, but if you do that, you may not get a hippie bath. tongue Strange, I thought you were in Munich though. But seriously, spare me the rubbish about the forest and euphoria.

Originally Posted By: FireTom
Wait some time, eventually you'll get there by "sharing" and "giving"


FT, we've been 'sharing' ever since I can remember posting.

Originally Posted By: FireTom
A good party is a good party - and I never took size nor music over people creating the vibe


Agreed

Originally Posted By: FireTom
wait, pick your colour


Was it a personal choice to start using the Queen's English?
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#917334 - 06/07/10 07:47 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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it's not raining... it's been last night. Now sun is shining sunny

oops "1.6" - my bad... smile sorry for having caused your confusion and not noticing after. We usually say 1,6 - my bad smile

BM a sham? At least an epic one... and ecologically sustainable wink

more love mate - its the only thing that grows when sharing wink

Rubbish euphoria in the forests? Better than Fluoro trash in the cities - my personal preference.

Nupp - not Munich, it's Berlin all the way (and really I wouldn't mind it raining here even for an entire week straight because I usually have 6 months solid sunshine during "winter")

Is that now "late" or "early" for you? Should be about ~3am no?
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#917336 - 06/07/10 07:58 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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[quote=FT]Is that now "late" or "early" for you? Should be about ~3am no[quote]

Almost 3am. It's an all nighter week for me this week. Tonnes of downtime! Feels like 3am though *yawn*

The price I pay for one great week last week!
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#917340 - 06/07/10 10:39 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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None of the events in this topic are raves. They are all licenced events, fesivals or clubs. They all have their place but they are not raves.

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#917341 - 06/07/10 11:05 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
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^_^ <_< >_> true dat (._.) ; ) even though they started out as such...
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#917342 - 06/07/10 11:15 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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and SE - don't worry, this is just the way RC and I tell each other "I love you" wink
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#917343 - 06/07/10 11:37 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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This is how Tom tells anyone "I love you" tongue
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#917346 - 07/07/10 01:10 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Rouge Dragon]
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spank Especially when they pick on Hippies or the UK party scene...

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#917367 - 07/07/10 08:40 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: FT
Especially when they pick on Hippies or the UK party scene...


Go back and read to see what brought on the UK party scene squabble wink

You know what a hippie is?!? (sarcasm)
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#917368 - 07/07/10 09:03 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Haha I've met some pretty awesome hippies myself tongue One time I had a hippie that worked at a 711 commenting on my bone necklace lol I couldn't help but laugh at how she talked afterward because it was the most stereotypical hippie voice I've ever heard lol3
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#917369 - 07/07/10 09:28 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: SpinnerofDetroit]
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EoN, go get the cordless sawsall and some motor oil and case out a place. I'll get some DJ's, lights, sound and a Genny. Keep your running shoes on.
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#917372 - 07/07/10 09:42 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
Originally Posted By: FT
Especially when they pick on Hippies or the UK party scene...


Go back and read to see what brought on the UK party scene squabble wink

You know what a hippie is?!? (sarcasm)


not me... but you tell me who put up a squabble by choosing such catchy title, mister wink why don't you just peacefully tell your opinion to the next Hippie face2face than going on insulting me friends from the comfort of your keyboard?




I know them aint no Hippies (yet)
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#917373 - 07/07/10 09:55 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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FT you so frequently put up your own provocative posts, that I admittedly troll on occasion. I was simply retaliating. Don't attack me, I won't attack you wink Frankly, you're not fit to speak of peace to me.

And these people, in these pictures, are wannabes having fun. They usually become productive drones or hippies about the time they've had one bad trip too many.
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#917376 - 07/07/10 10:18 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Candy ravers are "wannabes"?

So who's then a real raver? You?
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#917378 - 07/07/10 10:37 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Loc: Dover, Delaware USA
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
EoN, go get the cordless sawsall and some motor oil and case out a place. I'll get some DJ's, lights, sound and a Genny. Keep your running shoes on.


On it!

Wow that takes one back in time really far!!! I was a somewhat naughty youngin' come to think of it... rollsmile
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#917379 - 07/07/10 10:44 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: FireTom
Candy ravers are "wannabes"?

So who's then a real raver? You?


They were considered posers before I became a part of the game in the late 90s and honestly ruin the scene's dignity, integrity, and true essence...

However since we're all inclusive I'm polite and let it slide, won't let obnoxious kids with shady motives ruin a good night, music, and dancing for me. It's a waste and counterproductive for everyone when you can just live and let live, not too many candy kids at the parties I attend because they aren't into the music and other parts of the scene that draws me in personally.

You won't see an etard in a dance battle or circle. You won't see a friendlier rivalry than that amongst the househeads and breakers! You also won't see the candy ravers within' the trance tribes either, the congregate in their own corner within the subculture.
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#917380 - 07/07/10 10:54 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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RC - You need to chill out a bit. You took my original post completely the wrong way. It was supposed to be a bit of tongue in cheek UK / US banter and a bit of a parody if the initial post in the topic. You jumped to a(n incorrect) conclusion and started making unjustified personal comments - That is why I said I didn't see the point in arguing with you.
You'll also notice (if you re-read the topic) that it was you that started the national 'scene' debate (that I never joined in with).

You have made some fairly bizzarre assumptions and comments in your posts. If I had to guess, I'd say that you were quite young.

I'm not going to explain my background to you in public (if you want to know a bit more about me feel free to PM me) but I think you should probably think a bit more before about how you want to come across to other members of the community before you hit the submit button.

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#917381 - 07/07/10 11:02 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
Ah, we were all candy kidds in HS at one time or another. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and try to give them your experience and examples to follow. It does take a village wink


Not the Gravers... wave
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#917387 - 07/07/10 11:55 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
EoN, go get the cordless sawsall and some motor oil and case out a place. I'll get some DJ's, lights, sound and a Genny. Keep your running shoes on.


@ Seye: This is what a 'rave' is to most people I know. But the word is applied to any party in popular culture.(when in Rome...)

As for your latter statement, under advisement. But I'd suggest the same might apply to all of us wink

Is being cheeky and making banter an excuse, or a sign of immaturity itself? Like I have told FT before, it is possible to read more than what is actually being written and not a 'take this as you may'. But you should feel secure hitting the submit button for lack of accountability?

I 'assume' that if I were to say, "dear UKians(or any other what have you), you don't know anything about hippie culture or hippies and you need to learn more about it....ect. ect. ect."

Someone would take offence and play a word game to make anything I said seem wrong. Playing with semantics and immaturity is a HoP past time, and not localised to just RC. There has to be at least 20 examples of this from people other than me on this post alone!

I think finding out more about you would be a wonderful 'gift' Seye. Thanks for the invitation.

@ EoN: Gravers, lol! So many gravers do great fire work! If you chased down a graver painted them a little more cheerfully, and put a few drops of hippie in the cauldron I might pop up.

FT: I could be a lot of things, but in need of moral guidance from hypocrites, hardly. I just find irony in a hippie that will lecture me on my impact in the world, when I undertake huge efforts to reduce my impact that pale in comparison to all the hippie's talk. I would have also found huge irony in an alligator eating a hippie on a crusade to save the planet from the evils of human beings. Seeing how that same hippie is coming to visit me so he can benefit from my agricultural knowledge as well as other things, I would think, nothing I could say would be any better than what he can learn for himself.
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#917390 - 07/07/10 01:32 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
I just find irony in a hippie that will lecture me on my impact in the world, when I undertake huge efforts to reduce my impact that pale in comparison to all the hippie's talk.


Not to mention that all that hippie's talk is producing CO2, and therefore polluting the Earth.
Now that I find funny.
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#917393 - 07/07/10 01:55 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Microwe]
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Originally Posted By: Microwe
Not to mention that all that hippie's talk is producing CO2, and therefore polluting the Earth.
Now that I find funny.


I don't know you yet, but I like ya already!!! clap lol3
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#917395 - 07/07/10 02:16 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice
I don't know you yet, but I like ya already!!! clap lol3


Probably because I just got here..and thanks!
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#917396 - 07/07/10 02:16 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Ah! My thoughts exactly!
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#917413 - 07/07/10 04:42 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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IT'S A DOUBLE RAINBOW!
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#917418 - 07/07/10 04:51 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: SpinnerofDetroit]
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Lol Double rainbows happen all the time. I have only seen one triple rainbow.
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#917424 - 07/07/10 05:07 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Why is the rainbow guy making orgasmic noises??? Or is he not sober???

Wow...

LMAO
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#917425 - 07/07/10 05:13 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Imagine the sounds he must make during an eclipse!
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#917426 - 07/07/10 05:15 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Fugee! Is that polite dinner conversation??? tongue
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#917428 - 07/07/10 05:19 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Dinner? I was thinking breakfast. I am willing to bet we could talk about him at breakfast because he would have already drank his mescaline and run off by the time you were on your second piece of fruit. tongue
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#917435 - 07/07/10 06:04 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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lol that might have been a hippie wink

Fudgee - you still take sh1t far too serious. Can't be all shoulderpatting and polishing your ego my friend. Apply same standards readin my stuff that you ask me to read yours with. Semi intellectual toad. wink wink wink Taking the pi55 out of each other with daftness should definitely be okay in ChitChat. I mean this ain't a discussion isit?

You chose playground, weapons and topic, now cease crying.

It reminds me a bit of the "post pharmaceutical syndrome". Some ppl that take e's and experience it's euphoria can become quite nasty in social interaction when facing criticism.

My responses are usually reflecting the attitude I'm facing. All this boring labeling and condescending talk is a bit kindergarden, no? You dislike hippies (and their smell) just don't associate with them. Tired of people who play "twoface" keep smiling at people only to then run about and rant behind their backs, especially guising themselves with an avatar and a nick. I find that disgusting to say the least. Be a man or be chicken.



Edited by FireTom (07/07/10 10:30 PM)
Edit Reason: some 'jokes' could be taken personal
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#917447 - 07/07/10 10:04 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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a-ya ge-sv-i tsu-ya-we-tsv-hi v-hna-i hi-ya gi-li u-ka-dv.

ga-wo-ni-s-gv ka-li-i hi-a gi-li!

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#917450 - 07/07/10 10:45 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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make it easy on yourself:



Patchoulie anyone?
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#917480 - 08/07/10 09:32 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Calm down girls! This thread has gone on long enough being horribly off topic. As the Mayor of HoP, I say enough of this event weenie waggling. Cease and desist before I banish RC to the Introduction forum and FT will have to spend alone time in Social Discussion...

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#917482 - 08/07/10 09:59 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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lol wink
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#917491 - 08/07/10 01:33 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: brenonfire413
Calm down girls! This thread has gone on long enough being horribly off topic. As the Mayor of HoP, I say enough of this event weenie waggling. Cease and desist before I banish RC to the Introduction forum and FT will have to spend alone time in Social Discussion...


We've been snapped! I have alcohol, matches, and will make the best of banishment to the intro threads.

One last troll:
Bren, are you going to Aaron's this weekend? Seems everyone is coming up your way.
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#917495 - 08/07/10 02:09 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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#917498 - 08/07/10 02:27 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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#917506 - 08/07/10 04:22 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Yeah I'll be out there for sure.
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#917507 - 08/07/10 04:40 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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I'll be up your way in 2 weeks or so. Pin Aaron down and find out if he is bringing a stage or am I meant to build him one in Nov.
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#917592 - 09/07/10 09:20 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 09/07/10
Loc: Argenta Art District, NLR
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
It was disturbing being lectured by someone who most likely, when they do use soap, adds phosphates to the fresh water cycle, from their energy gobbling apartment that they travel to and from in a fuel guzzling car on their way to the organic smoothie bar at Whole Foods.


Thanks! Dude, I was vending at a festival called Wakarusa not so long ago, and after five days of both "Hippies" and "Ravers", our beautiful mountain was littered with paper, plastic, trash, food, broken tents (trippin folks falling I imagine) and other shameful nonsense.

We posted a HUGE letter on the official festival website reminding all those who claim hippy affiliation that just becuase you wear patchwork and take drugs, you are not excused from your social, ethical, and moral obligation to leave your camp in better condition than when you got there. I wish Dr. Bronners would post up at festivals and open some eyes. Totally great for the environment, non-toxic, and honestly tasty if you use the right kind for your toothpaste. In our house, none of us drive, use no AC / heat (take off or put on clothes...its free and fun!) no soaps or cleaners that arent Dr. Bronner's brand and for the most part we grow what we eat and give the rest away. You raised a good point. Thanks!
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#917593 - 09/07/10 09:25 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Microwe]
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Originally Posted By: Microwe
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
I just find irony in a hippie that will lecture me on my impact in the world, when I undertake huge efforts to reduce my impact that pale in comparison to all the hippie's talk.


Not to mention that all that hippie's talk is producing CO2, and therefore polluting the Earth.
Now that I find funny.


I don't know either of you but I like the way you think!
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#917595 - 09/07/10 09:27 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 09/07/10
Loc: Argenta Art District, NLR
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
<---has a recipe for a superb laundry soap that costs about $1.00 per gallon to make. I should start just giving it to friends so they do less damage to the water. I already give away a grip of lye and potash soap.


Would love the recipe...Sal Suds are a little too expensive for my taste
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#917599 - 09/07/10 09:44 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: DrDrizzle]
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@DD I'd like to do the quote thing but it is late and I am not up to the challenge, I'm sure you understand. The Wakarusa party website thingy was so busy. If you have some influence, ask those kidds to dumb it down.

Secondly, It's jacked up that they messed up a beautiful part of the Ozarks. I would have been your clean up no trace nazi!

That entire hippie thingy started over me having A/C, LOL!

Do you have this toothpaste recipe? Does it involve cinnamon?

If you like I can send you the recipe for some suds threw PM. I can find another from plant extracts only if you like but that will involve turning the Apothecary table inside out and praying the plant grows where you are.
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#917606 - 09/07/10 10:34 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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My dental hygenist *sp* told me that staight up Dr. Bronners Eucalyptus Castille soap meets all the requirements for toothpaste, and is 100% eco friendly...not to mention refillable and uses zero packaging (once you buy the original bottle). It takes a lil getting used to, but I bet if you bought the baby flavor (not made with babies but unscented) and added cinnamon it would be delicious
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#917607 - 09/07/10 10:34 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: DrDrizzle]
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Or rumplemintz smile
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#917608 - 09/07/10 10:44 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: DrDrizzle]
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Registered: 26/02/10
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I could find a flavour for it I think. I will give it a whirl and see how it goes for me.
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#917615 - 10/07/10 02:15 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Dr. B's is good but it dries my mouth out after extended use. Same thing with hair.
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#917626 - 10/07/10 06:25 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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I just go to Lush, easier on the environment and I smell and look fabulous!!! tongue

*total Lushie in the hizzzzz-ouse and never going back to mass market and salon crap EVER!!!*

Hipster FTW wink
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#917629 - 10/07/10 06:37 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew
It was disturbing being lectured by someone who most likely, when they do use soap, adds phosphates to the fresh water cycle, from their energy gobbling apartment that they travel to and from in a fuel guzzling car on their way to the organic smoothie bar at Whole Foods.


It's a good thing I don't give green lectures or Fugee would hate me! I only give lectures about people acting a fool and not using common sense...

angel2

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#917656 - 10/07/10 06:28 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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What some fail to understand is that virtually the entire environmental protection movement stems from the Hippie community. Whilst there certainly are Hippies way over the top, most only balance the ignorance of consumers.

Which is why they get hated.

Fudgee: Why you get angry at "green lectures"? Just 'admit' that you're doing your best to minimize your impact. a/c is not environmentally friendly but there are definitely times in which a cool, dry room is what saves your day.

What I don't understand is what is achieved by creating two camps - "ravers vs. hippies". Maybe you're not aware that Hippies are facing violence, when Hippies are not advocating it themselves. Maybe you're just feeling uncomfortable facing criticism and have not enough self esteem or simply no interest to engage in a discussion/debate and make your point clear.

You consider it "daftness" - others don't because there is a sad reality of discrimination and violence out there.

How about someone starting a thread "slim vs. obese": "Dear obese, you're the reason why the rest of the world is starving, you are a burden to health care and the one sitting next to you in an airplane. You should be forced booking two seats in economy.... yadda yadda yadda" - would you feel offended? Would you side those who have no voice to speak up for themselves? For your friends?

Do I stalk you around the board posting comments about you? If I'm posting in EoN's video thread then it is because I wanted to see what she's doing as in performance, where she is right now and am dispensing the best advice as to help her evolve as a performer/spinner. You're just trying to be obnoxious that's all. Please back it off now - I'll do the same. Thanks
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#917665 - 10/07/10 08:57 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: FT
What some fail to understand is that virtually the entire environmental protection movement stems from the Hippie community.


I don't believe that people such as Henry David Thoreau and John Muir(Founder of the Sierra Club) were in anyway hippies. It took a lot of momentum to create the world's first natural park.

As far as, where the hippies got there momentum, and debate this all you would like, is from large farms that they would work seasonally and move on. Farmers, threw out time, have always understood you don't 'poo where you eat'.

Why I get angry at green lectures... FT, this man has probably eaten something I have carefully grown. Heritage plants are vanishing from farms at alarming rates because they either don't produce massive quantities, although they may have better nutritional value or they are replaced by drought and pest resistant or GM strains. Growing a heritage plant without fertilizes derived from petrol chemical processing and without caustic pesticides is not productive, profitable or easy.

I truly believe that someone is entitled to their opinion and all, but I was not being lectured by someone that lived a lifestyle that is easy on the planet. It is a faade to talk like an earth activist and dress like a hippie, when you do so very little to "be the change you want to see in the world".

I also believed that I was entitled to my very small comfort in 40+ heat and 90%+ humidity, given that the event he enjoyed for free, came out of the pocket and efforts of myself and another, both there setting up long before anyone came out and cleaning up their mess long after they left.

It was very personal to me but it hasn't been an isolated incident with hippies telling me I am killing the planet without even knowing anything about my lifestyle. I would wager that if I grew dreads, stopped bathing everyday, went all vegan, and tossed on whatever is currently the trendy clothing of the 'hippie establishment', they would extoll me, as if I were Ghandi smile

I also believe that it is a matter of managing the resources of the planet as opposed to saying we shouldn't be using them at all. Far too often, the over the top hippies, are telling us to feel shame and condemn ourselves for the sake of something that we can use without damaging it or the planet.

You can even turn on an air conditioner and it be environmentally friendly, a biofuel genny can be environmentally friendly(although, there wasn't one available to me at the time), if you have a wind genny for your house(which I do), your energy consumption can be environmentally friendly.
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#917686 - 11/07/10 07:47 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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you can be both hippy and raver, this is true! "The fastest way to world peace is on the dancefloor"

ravers manifesto - seye did you post this in another topic a while back? ..
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#917688 - 11/07/10 08:05 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: burningoftheclavey]
Seye Offline
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Hehe - no, it wasn't me.

And everyone please...

I couldn't be any more against arguments like this. You cannot classify 'Ravers' or 'Hippies' so this is a ridiculous argument. Such simple labels are not helpful in any way.

Yes the two concepts exist. People display traits of many different groups though. To see things in such a black and white sense is absurd.

I am seen by one group of friends as a massive raver (I've been a DJ for over 10 years), however I have also acquired the nickname 'King of the Hippies'. Some would call me a geek, others a socialist or a liberal or an eco warrior while others would say that I am a capitalist or complain that I have no right to pass judgement on green issues.
I (as does everyone) have many personality traits and leanings.

I may see some traits in others I dislike but it is very rare that I cannot find some good in that person too. I do not believe that there is any other sensible way to view the people around you.

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#917728 - 11/07/10 05:54 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
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RC: What I am wondering is how ravers come up with the magical number? What factors do they consider? I think that if ravers were going to dizz someone for their philosophy, certainly they should start asking for their own motifs and other people's personal history when posting.

What about Greenpeace activists?

What about people that have to have special considerations? Surely some Hippies have those, if it's not their fault and they do have an extremist, it becomes discrimination at that point and in the US, the ravers can be sued under the "Americans with extremist parents" act.

As for others that are activists, I will agree that they should take responsibility for it, but how do we sort out one from the other?

My mom has been an activist and I was very much opposing her ideology at one time. Then the "righteousness lifestyle" hit me and news reports and observations led to serious lecturing (I also believe taht there is something very wrong with the German news). Last year, I topped out at 10 threads regarding ecology and politics in Social Discussion in a month alone and I realized it was destroying every aspect of my life, my relationships, my health, my emotional health and so on. I dropped over 5 threads in a year by just the smallest of changes - without counseling or internet restrictions. I believe that any nagging person is just making excuses if they continue to give lectures.

wink wink wink

on a more serious note: Would you now understand where I am coming from? I don't mean to seriously pi55 you off and whilst "this man most likely might have eaten something that you carefully grew", putting up stereotypes like "Hippies don't shower/ have no consideration for personal hygiene"; putting up this topic "Ravers vs. Hippies" a couple of years ago would have resulted in serious flaming. You wouldn't have had friends left on this board - I tell you that much.

Because - believe it or not - the majority of fire spinners in those days were Hippies, had Hippie friends or at least subscribed to a lifestyle/ ideology which could have been labeled "Hippie/ Alternative".

I live in Goa most of the year and virtually 98% of my friends could be labeled "Hippies" - I had quite long hairs and wore clothes that would make you identify me as a Hippie. I changed all that a couple of years ago and today you would do anything BUT identify me as a Hippie (PLUS I never disregarded personal hygiene).

Do I support hypocrites giving lectures? No. Do I support people trying to minimize their efforts - regardless of the peer group they are subscribing to? You bet.

Which is why I am so cynical towards the large part of fire spinners burning fossil fuels recreationally. Which is why I've been so cynical against people having "Stop nuclear power!" and "FCUK THE SYSTEM"-like bumper stickers on their oil dribbling campers, living on the dole, going surfing every day in Byron Bay or at the Gold Coast.

They won't work, exploit the system and keep jacka55ing those who do work, do pay taxes and do try to live a sustainable lifestyle at the same time.

There IS a lot of hypocrisy in the alternative lifestyle community - but it's far better, taking them by the hand and for a walk and explaining them something. Many of the organic farmers are NOT Hippies - and how many "Hippies" ever done WWOOFing to support them in their efforts?



wink wink wink


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#917766 - 12/07/10 03:40 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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OMG anyone who gets upset over labeling to an extreme extent has a personal problem and takes $hit way too seriously. How old are you FT 42? Act like it and not your shoe size! You sound like an insecure child who's just been roughed up at school. You're all talking about hippie violence and discrimination in the present day? Guess what? Non-conformists of all kinds get censored with and bring it on themselves by their behavioral and expressive choices. End of story! If undue violence, or any other law is broken take it to the authorities pretty simple. If you're breaking laws I do not recommend this, but if you're doing wrong it's still your choice and taking the consequences shouldn't be a shocker.

Guess what? This is ridiculous and the only person getting bent out of shape wanting to maintain your hippie hierarchy is yourself and the rest of your kind who refuse to broaden their minds and demographics. It doesn't matter where you are or what you do, there will always be a new school tinkering with it.

If someone starts hating on hipsters I don't care since it's a past time for many, but I poke fun at myself all the time and most of the people who hate have no room to talk themselves so why get bent out of shape.

If you think labels are stupid and juvenile why keep posting and getting more bent out of shape connecting yourself on purpose to the repulsive things you hate? You're only making these stupid, ignorant, wastes of time more real and tangible entirely counter acting your initial purpose for storming this thread......

Or was it? rolleyes


Edited by EpitomeOfNovice (12/07/10 05:33 AM)
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#917774 - 12/07/10 09:28 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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#917775 - 12/07/10 10:09 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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#917783 - 12/07/10 01:49 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Great advice right there lol
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#917821 - 13/07/10 02:58 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: SpinnerofDetroit]
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#917832 - 13/07/10 07:26 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: willworkforfoodjnr]
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Loc: Manchester, UK
Originally Posted By: willworkforfoodjnr
Seye: I'm with you 100% hug

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#917835 - 13/07/10 08:43 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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oh - and EoN [...edited the rest of this post for peace wink ]


Edited by FireTom (21/07/10 10:16 AM)
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#917838 - 13/07/10 08:55 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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How do you get a hippy pregnant?






*&^ on her feet and let the flies do the rest.
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#917839 - 13/07/10 09:13 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: FireTom]
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Originally Posted By: FireTom

oh - and EoN the next two are for you wink



That's okay, I'll see your 2 internets and raise you 1... wink




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#918231 - 19/07/10 08:04 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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lol3
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#918242 - 19/07/10 10:26 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Hipster Cat INVASION!!! He will PWN everybody and their mama... tongue



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#918248 - 19/07/10 02:17 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Registered: 10/07/10
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew


Ah, we were all candy kidds in HS at one time or another. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and try to give them your experience and examples to follow. It does take a village wink


I agree :-)

My mother and i used to have discussions about the relations between the two cultures all the time. The one constant I have found is love and its pursuit.
Originally Posted By: Seye
Dear Americans,

You have no idea what ravers or raves are. You use these words in entirely the wrong context. There is a complex array of terms to describe every element of the party scene, please learn them. Also, while we are here, the acronym "PLUR" is just not cool.

Yours,
The UK.

I've heard alot of elitist attitude, here and elsewhere, as if there is one right answer. Whether they are newly exploring a scene or we're on the deep end of our beliefs, whatever our age or our interpretation, live in love. Explore these interpretations and how they came be, and came to be enjoyed.


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#918272 - 19/07/10 09:32 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: lilBrobec]
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Loc: Manchester, UK
Originally Posted By: lilBrobec
I've heard alot of elitist attitude, here and elsewhere, as if there is one right answer. Whether they are newly exploring a scene or we're on the deep end of our beliefs, whatever our age or our interpretation, live in love. Explore these interpretations and how they came be, and came to be enjoyed.

Please read the rest of the topic.

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#918282 - 20/07/10 01:28 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice
Hipster Cat INVASION!!! He will PWN everybody and their mama... tongue



lol2


Damn you Hipster Cat! Time to address pics 1-12.

1. Too true
2. Fail
3. 2 words, Calvin Klein!
4. More believable if it was Bud Ice, Nattie light or some sort of malt liquor.
5. Win
6. Another win!
7. Google Images, Diglett looks like a brown twinkie!
8. Win for the bourgeois and nouveau riche...
9. Win
10. Yes it does! Another win!
11. Fail, everyone knows the photographers have to stay outside.
12. Anorexia tends to cause anaemia, so I could see you needing a scarf hipsters.
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#918312 - 20/07/10 02:42 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Seye]
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Registered: 10/07/10
Originally Posted By: Seye

Please read the rest of the topic.



haha ok, only because you caught me seye.
I do relate my comment to opinion i've heard outside this forum as well.


Edited by lilBrobec (20/07/10 02:44 PM)
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#918364 - 21/07/10 10:22 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: lilBrobec]
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love is just a 4 letter world wink
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#918367 - 21/07/10 01:54 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: lilBrobec]
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Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: lilBrobec
Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew


Ah, we were all candy kidds in HS at one time or another. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and try to give them your experience and examples to follow. It does take a village wink


I agree :-)

My mother and i used to have discussions about the relations between the two cultures all the time. The one constant I have found is love and its pursuit.


A) Some of us were brutal in high school, not candy ravers. (And when I say brutal, I expect you to ignore the fact that I made costumes for our school's drama club. I did it while listening to Sepultura.)

B) I would give them a chance if I could still fit in the venue. One of the few places in Seattle where I didn't actually have to tell the bartender that I wanted a pint of Guiness and a can of Wired...

C) I'm an example to censoreding nobody, and unless they can introduce me to good music or show me some techy stuff with poi, they're an obstacle to my enjoyment. Physically, that is: they occupy space I could be using to spin my poi.

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#918368 - 21/07/10 03:25 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven

A) Some of us were brutal in high school, not candy ravers.


LOL

High School Epitome was 2 years younger than everyone in her grade, had her way with the dresscode wearing funky tights with fishnets over top and sported black lipstick and purple hair with her uniform, and was quite proud of her fakie that met the fate of ending up on the "wall of shame" at too mainstream a place in Bmore. Her most common phrase: "Oh my, look at all the nonconformists conforming to each other... Seriously people?" is still reminisced about with fond joking/poking to this day... old

Now she has softened up and jokes seeing the rebellious youngin's and says: "Wow, I was more of a bad censored in my prom dress" LOL While some of them have less sense than my hayday in the 90s, there are many who are a breath of fresh air and come out as they are. smile

Ah, nostalgia! Anyways in the end it seems I was born a hipster who love to get down with meh funky fresh self and the eternal struggle of the old school, the next generation, and the renegades like myself will come together and keep the scene alive until there is something better to do. But I do agree many of us have not and will never have a candy phase! *high five*

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#918375 - 21/07/10 10:16 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
Fugee Offline
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Registered: 26/02/10
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: FT
love is just a 4 letter world


At times that is a cold hard fact!

Originally Posted By: SE
I did it while listening to Sepultura


Who would have dreamed that such a hardcore metal band would come from Brazil?!?!

Originally Posted By: EoN
But I do agree many of us have not and will never have a candy phase!


I had such a hardcore candy phase that my niece and nephew still have things to play with when they are here.
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#918421 - 22/07/10 04:32 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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yeah sadly i have a few remaining artefacts from my candy phase. My favourite is my fluro pink made in the 80s shirt
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#918450 - 23/07/10 04:07 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Registered: 22/12/09
Loc: New Orleans, LA United States
Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven


A) Some of us were brutal in high school, not candy ravers. (And when I say brutal, I expect you to ignore the fact that I made costumes for our school's drama club. I did it while listening to Sepultura.)

B) I would give them a chance if I could still fit in the venue. One of the few places in Seattle where I didn't actually have to tell the bartender that I wanted a pint of Guiness and a can of Wired...

C) I'm an example to censoreding nobody, and unless they can introduce me to good music or show me some techy stuff with poi, they're an obstacle to my enjoyment. Physically, that is: they occupy space I could be using to spin my poi.

[/grump]


Haha yes! Let's start a Metalheads vs. Punks thread where we can discuss spinning in trench coats and spiked leather jackets while arguing who is better for spinning to: Bad Brains or Pantera. Complain about Corpse-paint running in this censored heat or if Goatwhore qualifies as black metal even though they are American.

I have also come to the conclusion that poi and rockabilly do not mix.
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#918455 - 23/07/10 04:43 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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Skaters totally PWNed the Punks and Metalheads tongue
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#918466 - 23/07/10 05:02 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Fruit booters totally PWN the skaters. grin
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#918467 - 23/07/10 05:03 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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And Alfred North Whitehead totally pwns the lot of them.
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#918471 - 23/07/10 05:06 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Fruit booter???
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#918473 - 23/07/10 05:08 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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It's like a nerfherder, but dirtier. I think.
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#918476 - 23/07/10 05:49 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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I've always made fast friends with Rivetheads for some unknown reason talking about merger demographics! grin
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#918480 - 23/07/10 06:30 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Fruit Booter = Rollerblader
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#918508 - 23/07/10 10:40 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice
Skaters totally PWNed the Punks and Metalheads tongue
skaters? censored skaters? Come on EoN. You might as well have said that rudies make a greater impact and ska is a long dead corpse.
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#918510 - 23/07/10 10:51 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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Hmmm, skaters have had the most influence on style, fashion, marketing, and music on a multigenre level.

Punks and Metalheads are only relevant within their circles. Who made big pants enter the realm of socially acceptable first? Skaters. Without who would many shoes and clothing companies not exist? Skaters. Who is responsible for the Vans Warped Tour? Skaters. Who influenced the creations of the X-Games and multi-brand sponsorships outside or organized athletics? Skaters.

Okay, Punks are partially responsible for the Goth scene which was taken over by the Emos which killed them both... But Skaters still win the PWNage I think! tongue

You can present your case though! hug
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#918512 - 23/07/10 11:38 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Right, because skater culture is totally distinct from punk... tongue
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#918513 - 23/07/10 11:42 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Johnny Rotten didn't have a skateboard... ??? lol
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#918516 - 23/07/10 12:44 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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And 13th century Britain didn't have Applebee's, but the Magna Carta is still the foundation of the American constitution. Skater culture is largely a trivial and accessible development of punk culture.
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#918519 - 23/07/10 01:02 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Hmmm, I'll give it to ya Sis, where does Good Charlotte sick fall into this spectrum? lulz
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#918522 - 23/07/10 01:10 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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If there were such a band, they would be dead to me. But I tend to believe they never happened.
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#918532 - 23/07/10 07:00 PM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice


You can present your case though! hug


Little to show that isn't already aware. Skaters are to punks what shrikes are to crows: different enough but still part of the larger family. The skate scene became more socially acceptable over time. It was easier to buy out because it lacked any pretense of social ideology which most of the other tribes tried to adopt (skinheads, crusties, oi! punks, etc. etc.) Bands like NOFX or the aforementioned GC are more presentable than Aus Rotten, Crass, Last Resort or (old) The Unseen. Skating could be organised into an actual sport unlike say getting drunk, protesting and not bathing. It was easier to push baggy denim pants to trendy kids than tight plaid bondage pants. Skating is simply the most successful branch economically and in some ways socially because its not as extreme. On the other hand there was the ska scene: the music was terrible, the fashion was atrocious and they never even pretended to believe in anything that a few listeners might use as a reason to make change in their own lives. Not to mention the logistics of bands organizing a collection of eight or more musicians to focus all their efforts. Thusly it never took off. Skating started off firmly in punk roots and still possessed much of that mentality when it really went mainstream and was taken up by pretty much everyone. Time and acceptance have worn away a lot of the rebellious edge. Baggy denim and a board attract less attention than straight white laces on oxblood boots or a spiky leather jacket. Somebody who's focus is learning a new trick is more of a novelty than a vegan who makes homemade clothes while listening to Dead Kennedys and will at least try to present a case for social rebellion. Blah end of rant, if this seems disjointed its because I did this whole thing on my phone so editing is bothersome. If it doesn't make any sense read it over a few times and get the gist of what I'm saying.

Still its all moot: metal trumps all the aforementioned and its true. A far more enduring subculture with much more success in many ways.

Oh yeah, back on topic... yay hippies! Go team! grin grin grin
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#918541 - 24/07/10 12:09 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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Originally Posted By: EoN
Who made big pants enter the realm of socially acceptable first?


PFT! Fail!

Dead Kennedys <3 Frankenchrist... The rest was crap!

Originally Posted By: Bren
yay hippies! Go team!


PFT! Fail!

If you buy what I am selling, you'll be cool, it's what all the hippies are into these days. smile
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#918542 - 24/07/10 12:38 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Plus even in the best case scenarios, hippies value and believe in things. Pansies.
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#918546 - 24/07/10 01:41 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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For the record....BMXers pwn skaters.


LOL @ fruit booters

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Edited by Poje (24/07/10 01:42 AM)
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#918550 - 24/07/10 03:22 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Fugee]
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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew


Originally Posted By: Bren
yay hippies! Go team!


PFT! Fail!



Damnit, did I say the wrong thing? Must do whatever is more acceptable...

Yay ravers!!!!! You go guys grin grin grin
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#918552 - 24/07/10 04:42 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: brenonfire413]
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I do have to give ravers one thing. Their pants are stupid, but their hats are frakking epic.
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#918554 - 24/07/10 05:03 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: Sister Eleven]
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Visors are the best! Raver headwear is total win!

BTW I never knew one skater (I ran in a pack with them as a kid) who listened to punk. They all listened to grunge and alternative, wore big pants and flannel, and totally PWN all other scenes on shoes. grin

I'll wear DCs and Elements til the day I die! yes Even to the rave... tongue

Hook-Ups was the best brand ever for Decks and Shirts anybody remember their gear? They must've went out of business when Anime was no longer underground and really started sucking by like 2000 at the very latest. lol
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#918561 - 24/07/10 06:53 AM Re: Raver vs. Hippie [Re: EpitomeOfNovice]
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Originally Posted By: Bren
Damnit, did I say the wrong thing? Must do whatever is more acceptable...

Yay ravers!!!!! You go guys


Very good! Wanna Starburst?

Originally Posted By: SE
I do have to give ravers one thing. Their pants are stupid, but their hats are frakking epic.


I was always more of a shpants guy myself, at times PJs and a fuzzy tiger visor from breakbeats.

Originally Posted By: EoN
I'll wear DCs and Elements til the day I die!


OMG! DCs are grounded and super comfy so you can wear them in a SMT plant without the grounding straps. Also I will wear DCs and Sanduks 'til the day I die.
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